Alpha Fictional Characters in Movies and Literature

[ArchonAlarion]

mmmmmm

Very nice Logos, here have a pendant of life, it'll help you ward off those nasty temple guards.

[Wynch]

I'm quessing ISFp and ENTp - I love this movie

I would say ISXp, ENFp. I could see the case for either of the ISXps. I don't think that she's ENTp, though.

[Logos]

The list has been updated again.

[ArchonAlarion]

Imo, Jon Snow from A Song of Ice and Fire is Ti ENTp. But I am in no way adamant on that typing, although I think he certainly conflicts with Catelyn Stark who I believe to be ESI of some sort

George RR Martin is Ti INTj, so its reasonable to assume this already Alpha-ish series is going to have Alpha characters, although the book is dominated by Beta-Delta conflict.

[Logos]

Imo, Jon Snow from A Song of Ice and Fire is Ti ENTp. But I am in no way adamant on that typing, although I think he certainly conflicts with Catelyn Stark who I believe to be ESI of some sort

George RR Martin is Ti INTj, so its reasonable to assume this already Alpha-ish series is going to have Alpha characters, although the book is dominated by Beta-Delta conflict.

FYI, Discojoe typed Jon Snow as ESI.

[ArchonAlarion]

okay, that does nothing for me.

Idk Discojoe's degree of typing proficiency and although I feel like a douche for saying this, tis rumored by some that discojoe is actually Ti ENTp. From what I've seen from Joe I'm not really feelin the ISFj, but I cannot verify this Ti ENTp typing as of yet.

I relate a good deal to Jon Snow tbh. He could be something else, but Im going with Ti ENTp as of now.

There's prolly more Alphas in ASOIAF though... Petyr Baelish maybe, but he could be Beta. Maybe ENFj.

Sansa idk. Arya i have trouble relating to, probably gamma Fi ESFp.

But yeah, I'll start reading the books again and Ill come back with more info.

[Khola aka Bee]

[Warlord]

Buffy and Giles: quite sure they're not ISFp, but I don't know enough to offer alternative typings.

Giles is NiTe character played by NeTi. So he ends up being bit of a mix.

[Warlord]

A fictional character without a vagina is my dual!

HOORAY

Speaking of Zoidbergs, does anyone know who's Dr. Zoidberg at Ganins site? Anyone here?

[Creepy-male]

There's a Zoidberger at AVEN, actually.

/random tidbit

[Logos]

my ex IEE gf was strongly identifying herself with Ariel (i think from the book, not cartoons).

So did my little sister, but that's because they are both redheads.

[marooned]

The character of Coraline in the movie Coraline.

Pocahontas in The New World?

[Khola aka Bee]

Believe me when I sayyyy... I FUCKED a MERMAIDDDD....

[jewels]

yeah I always felt like The Little Mermaid was ENFp. However, ENFps and ISFps can act similarly, so I can see why you'd identify too.

Somewhere I read ariel typed at ENFp though...

[Creepy-Cyclops]

She's kinda hot, lol

[Logos]

I'm bumping this for further input for especially the non-ILE fictional characters.

[Gilly]

Nick Naylor is pretty EIE if you ask me.

Also I think Jack/Cornelius from Fight Club could be IEI.

[Gilly]

The couple from Garden State could be ILE (Sam/Portman) and SEI (Andrew/Braff).

[Creepy-male]

The couple from Garden State could be ILE (Sam/Portman) and SEI (Andrew/Braff).

I thought so too, but there's a case for Andrew being LII and Sam being ESE.

[Logos]

The couple from Garden State could be ILE (Sam/Portman) and SEI (Andrew/Braff).

I've made the case for Sam as ESE and Andrew as LII. I think that this is a stronger case.

[Krig the Viking]

I think some of the confusion on Garden State comes from Sam being a Creative ESE, and Andrew being a Harmonizing LII. Mind you, I'm using Gulenko's DCNH 4-subtype system, and I'm not sure how well-regarded that is around here, as I don't see people using it. Still, it makes sense to me how a Creative ESE (strengthened Ne/Se) could be mistaken for ILE, and a Harmonizing LII (strengthened Si/Ni) could be mistaken for SEI.

On another note, Logos, what makes you say ILE > LIE for Rodney McKay? I had typed him as LIE, but that was back in my earlier days of socionics, and I don't hold those early typings as firmly as I used to. Still, I haven't seen the show in a while, but I do seem to remember him being more interested in speedy practical applications of technology (Te) than a slower, more thorough theoretical understanding (Ti). I'm objectively curious as to the reasoning you used to arrive at your conclusion.

Zelenka, on the other hand, I completely agree is LII.

[Orest Reinn]

ILE
Pirates of the Caribbean: Captain Jack Sparrow

EIE. He makes sure that his actions are as crazy as possible just to make a show. And he doesn't care about unpleasant cosequenses of it.

[mu4]

Niffweed's belief that Kaylee is SEI is what is keeping me from putting her down as either. She is still an Alpha SF, but we have disagreements about which she is.

I honestly would probably prefer to locate more SEIs and ESEs, since there is a noticeable lack of them on the list.

Kaylee is SEI imo

I would also say Simon can be any Alpha NT. I actually typed him as ILE before based on his behavior when he was younger vs older persona.

The problem is compounded by the fact that he sometimes makes comments that hurt Kaylee's feelings, insulting the lifestyle of the crew, Serenity, and even herself, though he never intentionally means to insult her; a prominent example of his ineptitude at making conversation is in "The Message" when he described her as 'the only girl in the world', on the grounds that all the other women he knew were either married (Zoe), professional (Inara) or related to him (River).

Fi super ego stuff here.

[Krig the Viking]

Another LII: Sam Winchester, from Supernatural.

[Krig the Viking]

EIE. He makes sure that his actions are as crazy as possible just to make a show. And he doesn't care about unpleasant cosequenses of it.

Ooh, this totally makes sense, and backs up my typing of Johnny Depp as IEI (who would therefore be playing his Mirror here, much easier and more natural to do than playing his Illusionary).

[krieger]

Logos: I think you were right about the Genie after all. I no longer think he is an ENTp.

I think Weeds' Shane is a good example of an Ne subtype INTj, by the way.

[Krig the Viking]

Yeah, either LII or EII. I'm thinking that Dean is possibly his supervisor as well.

Haha, cool, I had independently typed Dean as an SLE, without taking his relation to Sam into account.

I think Sam should be typed as "LII - Maudlin Emo Subtype".

[tereg]

I posted this in the SEI thread, but I'll post it here too




Shandala from Broken Saints

This is a sample of what I'm talking about (From the beginning to 4:23. It is of the first chapter of the series)



Also:

[Krig the Viking]

I think Weeds' Shane is a good example of an Ne subtype INTj, by the way.

YouTube - Weeds - Shane's Graduation Speech

I haven't seen the show, but based on that video alone, I'd have to agree. The first part of the speech especially sounds like something I would say in a speech.

[Logos]

Oh so many points to respond to...

On another note, Logos, what makes you say ILE > LIE for Rodney McKay? I had typed him as LIE, but that was back in my earlier days of socionics, and I don't hold those early typings as firmly as I used to. Still, I haven't seen the show in a while, but I do seem to remember him being more interested in speedy practical applications of technology (Te) than a slower, more thorough theoretical understanding (Ti). I'm objectively curious as to the reasoning you used to arrive at your conclusion.

Rodney McKay's drive to be known, recognized, and loved in an manner? His unhealthy obsession with his health? (Which is admittedly more a sign of weak Si.) Rodney is reluctant to admit his error in the face of counterevidence (much like Einstein and quantum mechanics). Rodney wasn't interested in speedy practical applications of technology, but they were frequently demanded of him in his job and field work. McKay is the most theoretical of all of the characters, apart from maybe Zelenka, who by contrast is a bit more grounded and critical of Leading-Ne theories. Zelenka's role is mostly to point to points of problematic Ti in McKay's Ne-leading theories. Furthermore, McKay's working relationship with Zelenka is more evocative of mirror relations than quasi-identical. As a contrast, I would say that Woolsey is an LIE.

Kaylee is SEI imo

Okay. I'm more open to this possibility now.

I would also say Simon can be any Alpha NT. I actually typed him as ILE before based on his behavior when he was younger vs older persona.

I think that Simon is one of the fewer clear cut LIIs out there in television, though his other frequently proposed type by others is actually EII. A number of LII descriptions, I believe, actually make mention of how young LIIs may seem far more open or EP like in their development. LIIs can almost be ILE-like, but only amongst very close friends and family, around whom the LII is comfortable opening themselves to. But a number of the criticisms laid at Simon's feet was that he was too much of a proper, stiff. His own discussion with Kaylee of having to act civilized even on the frontier points to an Fi-role function over an Fi-PoLR.

Fi super ego stuff here.

Fi also happens to be in the LII's super-ego too. :wink:

EIE. He makes sure that his actions are as crazy as possible just to make a show. And he doesn't care about unpleasant cosequenses of it.

I made a case for ILE here.

Another LII: Sam Winchester, from Supernatural.

I'm not familiar with that one. I may have to check it out.

I think Weeds' Shane is a good example of an Ne subtype INTj, by the way.

I'm not sure if I would have been comfortable enough in overcoming my Fi-Role to say that. Shane has been tough for me to peg down. I did think that he was a possible Ni-leading type. I will have to reevaluate this. I did have Dean Hodes as an LII.

[The Exception]

YouTube - Weeds - Shane's Graduation Speech

My neighbor's daughter will be graduating from elementary school next summer. I'm going get Shane to speak at her graduation.

[mu4]

I think that Simon is one of the fewer clear cut LIIs out there in television, though his other frequently proposed type by others is actually EII. A number of LII descriptions, I believe, actually make mention of how young LIIs may seem far more open or EP like in their development. LIIs can almost be ILE-like, but only amongst very close friends and family, around whom the LII is comfortable opening themselves to. But a number of the criticisms laid at Simon's feet was that he was too much of a proper, stiff. His own discussion with Kaylee of having to act civilized even on the frontier points to an Fi-role function over an Fi-PoLR.

I am pretty proper and stiff in most aspects of life, formal and professional. And Simon does open up later on in the show to being the goof he is. Most ILE's I have met are more like Alonso Quixano and not Don Quixote. Sane, broken and working.

Also young Simon Tam is played by a young Zac Efron who I think is ILE.

Fi also happens to be in the LII's super-ego too. :wink:

I think LII is definitely possible for Simon. I think the portrayal of his character changed later in the show as they made him more action oriented and also in the movie they made him more integral in the rescue of his sister rather then hiring some people to do it.

[Logos]

I am pretty proper and stiff in most aspects of life, formal and professional. And Simon does open up later on in the show to being the goof he is. Most ILE's I have met are more like Alonso Quixano and not Don Quixote. Sane, broken and working.

This is certainly within the realm of possibility, but LII is the likeliest possibility that involves the least amount of stretching of the explanation to work. And I could just as well cite Simon's childhood behavior as being similar to my own at a similar age.

Also young Simon Tam is played by a young Zac Efron who I think is ILE.

I think LII is definitely possible for Simon. I think the portrayal of his character changed later in the show as they made him more action oriented and also in the movie they made him more integral in the rescue of his sister rather then hiring some people to do it.

Which is a nice opinion does not necessarily say anything about Simon's type. While LII is possible for Simon, it also happens to be more probable than ILE.

[Gilly]

I've made the case for Sam as ESE and Andrew as LII. I think that this is a stronger case.

I can see that, yeah.

[Marie84]

Some contributions

ESE
Porthos- The Three Musketeers
Wilkins Micawber- David Copperfield
Gimli- The Lord of The Rings (Krig mentioned this, the typing makes sense)

SEI
Dora Spenlow- David Copperfield
Peregrin Took/Pippin- The Lord of The Rings

ILE
Dr. Emmett Brown/Doc- Back To The Future
Gollum/Smeagol- The Lord of The Rings
The Joker- The Dark Knight (not too sure about this one)

LII
Jamal- Slumdog Millionaire

[Warlord]

Yeah, either LII or EII. I'm thinking that Dean is possibly his supervisor as well.

Sam FiNe and Dean SeFi (so is the actor also)

[1981slater]

ILEs FTW

US Colonial Marine Hudson (Aliens)



Peter Venkman / Bill Murray (Ghostbusters)



Groucho Marx



Doctor House



Dennis Finch (Just shoot me!)



Morpheus (The Matrix)



Chandler Bing (Friends)



Ross Geller (Friends)



HM Murdock (The A-Team)



Norm MacDonald (Norm)



Ted / Liev Schreiber (Sphere)



Dr Frasier Crane



McGyver



Indiana Jones



Darth Vader



Frank Drebin/ Leslie Nielsen (The Naked Gun)



Scientist / James Spader (Stargate)

[electric sheep]

Vash the Stampede is an alpha.
seeking to the max.

[Logos]

Vash the Stampede is an alpha.
seeking to the max.

Actually, my assessment of Vash was as an EII.

[Krig the Viking]

ILEs

US Colonial Marine Hudson (Aliens)
Peter Venkman / Bill Murray (Ghostbusters)
Groucho Marx
Doctor House
Dennis Finch (Just shoot me!)
Morpheus (The Matrix)
Chandler Bing (Friends)
Ross Geller (Friends)
HM Murdock (The A-Team)
Norm MacDonald (Norm)
Ted / Liev Schreiber (Sphere)
Dr Frasier Crane
McGyver
Indiana Jones
Darth Vader
Frank Drebin/ Leslie Nielsen (The Naked Gun)
Scientist / James Spader (Stargate)

Respectfully, in my opinion that list contains a lot of non-ILEs. Of those listed, I would say that Dr. House, Morpheus, McGyver, Indiana Jones, and Darth Vader are all almost certainly not ILE, and I'm not sure about the others. Indiana Jones and McGyver, for example, I would say are SLI, and possibly Dr. House too.

I'm curious as to what led you to these typings. I'm always prepared to be proven wrong...