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    Does anyone watch this?
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    I did some time ago and I think I enjoyed it. (Not tremendously, but I did.) That Jonathan guy was pretty cool.
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    He's pretty clearly LII, but Peter and I aren't agreed on Maddy's type. Any ideas?
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    I suppose she could be ESFj or ESFp. I think ESFp is more likely.

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    I was thinking SLE. Peter thinks ESE. I have a hard time seeing her as an ESE though. It is, on the other hand, certainly far more likely than SEE.
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    I would add that if she is SEE (which I find unlikely), it is from the perspective of someone who hates SEE's but doesn't really understand them.
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    Hmm, I think you are right with your ESTp suggestion.

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    Further explanation on why SLE makes the most sense (or more specifically, why SEE and ESE don't). Let's assume that Jonathan is LII. (If that's not already obvious, just take a look at his relationship with his EIE employer. Semi-duality makes sense for them, supervision does not.)

    LII and SEE: First of all, they get along too well for too long a period of time to be conflictors. They genuinely like each other, have a close relationship, and spend a lot of time together. Secondly, while an SEE may treat people they don't like the way Madeline treats Jonathan, they wouldn't generally treat someone they like that way. I just don't see the Fi.

    LII and ESE: No... these two get along, but they're not duals. They like and respect each other, are in the same general range of intelligence, enjoy the time they spend together, are both single, and are physically attracted to each other. Why aren't they together? Why is any romantic progress they ever make with each other always immediately reversed?

    Even more significantly, we have here a healthy LII being treated poorly by an unhealthy ESxx. Why does he let her treat him like that? Why does he put up with all of her bullshit? The reason why it continues in spite of his being a relatively well individual is because she supervises him. He doesn't know how to effectively combat her Se. He's also not giving her what she requires in order to prevent her from feeling the need to do that stuff in the first place. (It's not as though she enjoys being insecure about the status of their relationship.)

    Also, where's the Ne/Si interaction? Any type can be as slovenly and gluttonous as Madeline, but if an ESE met and got close to an LII, having his/her creative Si asked for and rewarded by creative Ne would cause the ESE to become more conscientious about the quality and direction of his/her Si. Madeline doesn't just fail to provide for Jonathan's Si hidden agenda, she actually mocks and criticizes him for it.

    There is also some hint of an IJ vs. EP conflict between them, but that's not as apparent as the other things I've mentioned here.
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