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    Default Common misconceptions about Fours

    Fours are "social"

    WRONG. Ethical Fours are still more "social" than Eights, because of their sense of recognising people's needs. They're able to recognise informal rules. For example, most people expect you to have an accomodating behaviour. But Logical Fours may not think so.


    All Fours are empathetic

    WRONG. Ethical Fours may act like they were. They may act like "this is shameful, it shouldn't be like that", and can't stand suffering, because they feel it's unethical (), or un-ETHICAL!!! (). But Logical Fours may not think so, as their Ethics is weak, and then, may be under-used, over-used, and/or mis-used.


    Four are unassertive

    WRONG. No. Believe me. They're everything but that. Though they lack "drive", they're socially confrontational. Intimate Fours may also look very pushy, especially when Logical. (I think of -+- ILI's). Fours, unlike Nines, are not "accomodating" more than purposefully. Do you imagine Kate Moss (--- SEI) and Nietzche (-+- ILI) if they were people pleasers ?


    Fours are avoidant

    WRONG. They just feel like being avoidant because of lack of energy, especially when they're tired.


    Fours are sad

    WRONG. They're pretty much as sad as Ones or Sevens. They just have a "sad" way of living, a "sad" philosophy of life, but that's all.


    All Fours are absent-minded

    WRONG. What about Sensing Fours ? SEI's ? SLI's ? LSI's ? ESI's ?


    Fours are withdrawn

    WRONG. They may act "social", and have a fair or semi-fair social life, but they don't make it the centre of their lives. (I mean, they're not Twos)


    All Fours are "philosophical"

    WRONG. It's pretty much like saying that Fives are all computer geeks. What if they weren't educated by philosophy ? Their serotonin and dopamin levels wouldn't have changed for that. They'd still act like a Four minus the "philosophical" thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post

    Four are unassertive

    WRONG. No. Believe me. They're everything but that. Though they lack "drive", they're socially confrontational. Intimate Fours may also look very pushy, especially when Logical. (I think of -+- ILI's). Fours, unlike Nines, are not "accomodating" more than purposefully.

    Fours are avoidant

    WRONG. They just feel like being avoidant because of lack of energy, especially when they're tired.
    These are my favorites. I can be VERY confrontational and pushy. And you're right, I'm not accommodating necessarily. And yes I avoid doing stuff because of lack of energy. True.
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    I'm totally gonna fight you on the above points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bee View Post
    I'm totally gonna fight you on the above points.
    big words from a little girl

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    Oh I get it, a size pun. Pot calling the kettle black perhaps, Mercutio?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bee View Post
    Oh I get it, a size pun. Pot calling the kettle black perhaps, Mercutio?
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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    Fours are avoidant

    WRONG. They just feel like being avoidant because of lack of energy, especially when they're tired.
    What's the difference between one's being avoidant and one's feeling like being avoidant and actually having reasons to avoid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    Fours are avoidant

    WRONG. They just feel like being avoidant because of lack of energy, especially when they're tired.
    I'm definitely avoidant when I'm not confrontational.

    Seriously, though, I suppose I avoid getting into confrontation or difficult issues when I am either not invested enough (I don't deem it a crucial stand to take) or when I can see I won't get anywhere, change any minds or otherwise just waste my effort and energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aka-kitsune View Post
    I'm definitely avoidant when I'm not confrontational.

    Seriously, though, I suppose I avoid getting into confrontation or difficult issues when I am either not invested enough (I don't deem it a crucial stand to take) or when I can see I won't get anywhere, change any minds or otherwise just waste my effort and energy.
    yes, I'm this way too. But if I DO deem it important enough and see that I may be able to make a difference, I can face things (at least a LOT better than 9s. hehe).
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    yes, I'm this way too. But if I DO deem it important enough and see that I may be able to make a difference, I can face things (at least a LOT better than 9s. hehe).
    Facing things doesn't change things!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercutio View Post
    Facing things doesn't change things!
    I said: "if I see that I may be able to make a difference, I can face things." By "facing things" I meant addressing the issue, whatever it is, to try to fix things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    I said: "if I see that I may be able to make a difference, I can face things." By "facing things" I meant addressing the issue, whatever it is, to try to fix things.
    You don't need to justify yourself to me.

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    because they feel it's unethical (), or un-ETHICAL!!! ().
    elucidate on the unethicals someone? :S
    edit: please

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    I like most of these. Though sometimes you contradicted your own arguements by pretending to guess what people's intents were, when you guys were basically agreeing on the same thing.

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