Rita Verdonk - Dutch politician

[krieger]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FtUyTfemBk[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBJADVakoJY&feature=related[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNCYHEG5c5I&feature=related[/ame]

ESTp or more of an IxTj?

[Jarno]

I know that woman. She's quite a character. Pretty hard, tough and blunt. She's outspoken right wing.

I'm not sure which type she is. Most certainly a logical type, and likely a rational.

I have the following types in my mind for her, but I'm absolutley not sure:
ESTJ, ENTJ and maybe ISTJ

[krieger]

Pretty hard, tough and blunt.

Beta ST characteristics if any are. ESTjs are hard and tough, but subtle with a characteristic flair. ENTjs are rarely any of those things.

Notice how she never presents actual facts but always speaks in terms of opinions of her that she deems "self-evident"... As in "everyone can see this country is going to the sharks." and "why don't I be honest about it and say what we all think". IMO there is not a hint of Te in there, nor any of the wide consideration for possibilies of an alpha NT. She's a beta ST. Probably ESTp.

From the first video: "what has also become clear to me is that Wouter Bos is simply afraid of me." That format of speech, complete with attitude, is Ti. The assuredness with which it is put, not just suggested or entertained, is what makes it Beta and ST.

Here's another female ESTp in politics according to Rick, Madeleine Albright:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSjR9SJVobI[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLvJrMnKJ04&feature=related[/ame]

IMO they are facially very similar.

[Jarno]

Oke I took the time to review two of the posted movies.

I think you are probably right, she is not an ESTJ nor an ENTJ.

I remember however an interview with her, where she looked as: not prepared, not confident, not socially smart, not adapting. Therefor I think she didn't give the impression of an ESTP. I'm starting to think more about ISTJ. Since she also appears very rigid.

Again... I'm still pretty much speculating.

Labcoat, do you find her socially gifted, or more like socially akward? (or in between etc)

[krieger]

Labcoat, do you find her socially gifted, or more like socially akward? (or in between etc)

Option 2... I think social awkwardness is more of an issue for thinking types than for introverts, though.

I get a slight impression of an introvert type from the 3rd video, too... But I still think the VI is a strong argument. Do we have any ISTjs that she looks similar to?

[Jarno]

Option 2... I think social awkwardness is more of an issue for thinking types than for introverts, though.

I get a slight impression of an introvert type from the 3rd video, too... But I still think the VI is a strong argument. Do we have any ISTjs that she looks similar to?

A female colleague of mine is ISTJ, and she has these strange up looking eyes, similar to Verdonk.

Albreight seems indeed an ESTP. She's also pushy, but she knows how to get people to follow her, because of her charm and ease in conversations. Verdonk on contrary, hasn't got this charm, she's serious, pushy and just stubborn.