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Thread: Alpha NTs: Do You Like Philosophy?

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    ...been here longer than the fucking monarchy Ezra's Avatar
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    Default Alpha NTs: Do You Like Philosophy?

    Stereotypical endeavour for these wonderful individuals...

    BUT WHAT

    IS

    THE

    REALITY??

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    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    Philosphy is the love of wisdom. I can't really say if I like the love of wisdom, but I do love wisdom. You might even call me a philosopher.
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    that is what i was getting at. if there is an inescapable appropriation that is required in the act of understanding, this brings into question the validity of socionics in describing what is real, and hence stubborn contradictions that continue to plague me.

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    I enjoy discussing philosophy, but I don't love philosophy enough that I feel any kind of desire to pick up a book and read about it.
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    Meh.

    Can take it or leave it.
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    aaah why you asking?

    Does a tree make a sound if it fall in the forest?

    I like things that make you think in different more exciting ways. Philisophy might do that but to discuss other philosophical things over and over might work if you don't have a tv around. Not sure if it would otherwise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    Stereotypical endeavour for these wonderful individuals...

    BUT WHAT

    IS

    THE

    REALITY??

    ?>>
    >
    >>?
    ???????????????????
    An empirical reality or ontological reality? I guess I like "applied" philosophy, whatever that means. I like to talk about working definitions and mess with people who put a lot of stock in their philosophical models because it amuses me. Also I like using philosophies to justify things. So I guess it's pretty cool, as long as you don't fall in love with it.

    I guess I like philosophy like I like a good hooker: you don't pay her to have sex with you; you pay her to leave when you're done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mariano Rajoy View Post
    Philosphy is the love of wisdom. I can't really say if I like the love of wisdom, but I do love wisdom. You might even call me a philosopher.
    I might but I probably wouldn't because I don't feel like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    I enjoy discussing philosophy, but I don't love philosophy enough that I feel any kind of desire to pick up a book and read about it.
    Cool. Books are for children. Adults need TV. And Internet. And toilet paper made from the pages of pretentious tomes of philosophical mindfuck.

    Quote Originally Posted by diljs View Post
    Meh.

    Can take it or leave it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkstar View Post
    aaah why you asking?

    Does a tree make a sound if it fall in the forest?

    I like things that make you think in different more exciting ways. Philisophy might do that but to discuss other philosophical things over and over might work if you don't have a tv around. Not sure if it would otherwise
    Does a child scream when I break its fingers? Yes. It does.

    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    Yeah I do, philosophy is foremost the necessary critique of reason and knowledge.
    BARF.

    Please define:

    necessary
    reason
    knowledge
    jxrtes

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    JRiddy, have I personally offended you in any way?
    No dude, im just messing with ya. You're alright. I'd even have sex with you if i was really super drunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    oh... same here.
    In all honestly, I like philosophical stuff, I just get really worn out, or sometimes flat-out annoyed by some other ENTps being all about it all the time. At some point, there is more complexity to everything than anyone can hope to get a grasp on. And while it's fun to play with logic, it's a game for adults, and just like all games for adults, it goes on too long and it turns out someone has been stealing the little army dudes and actually takes over the whole Eurasian super-continent. And it's usually me, because, fuck you, Risk (TM) can be super boring after you've played that long, but I likes to win, G. Dig?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRiddy View Post
    In all honestly, I like philosophical stuff, I just get really worn out, or sometimes flat-out annoyed by some other ENTps being all about it all the time. At some point, there is more complexity to everything than anyone can hope to get a grasp on. And while it's fun to play with logic, it's a game for adults, and just like all games for adults, it goes on too long and it turns out someone has been stealing the little army dudes and actually takes over the whole Eurasian super-continent. And it's usually me, because, fuck you, Risk (TM) can be super boring after you've played that long, but I likes to win, G. Dig?
    Yeah, that's a good way of describing how I feel about philosophy. Like most of anything that I take an interest in, it's certainly interesting and I enjoy it, but it's more like a hobby. Or even a game, at times, particularly when it comes to things like epistemology. Ultimately I can't be bothered to invest too much into it in the end, though.
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    I hate philosophy as much as I hate poetry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRiddy View Post
    In all honestly, I like philosophical stuff, I just get really worn out, or sometimes flat-out annoyed by some other ENTps being all about it all the time. At some point, there is more complexity to everything than anyone can hope to get a grasp on. And while it's fun to play with logic, it's a game for adults, and just like all games for adults, it goes on too long and it turns out someone has been stealing the little army dudes and actually takes over the whole Eurasian super-continent. And it's usually me, because, fuck you, Risk (TM) can be super boring after you've played that long, but I likes to win, G. Dig?

    LOL best analogy of the day
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    I go berserk when I'm losing at Risk and totally suicide my armies against the strongest player.
    I actually love Risk. And I don't give up when I start losing, because people often underestimate you at that point. I've made substantial comebacks with a little patience and some maneuvering. The only time I give up is when I can see quite clearly that someone will inevitably win, and that by sitting around and continuing to play that we're all wasting our time. But I don't usually start suiciding, I just point out that continuing to play is redundant, we should declare that individual the winner and move on to something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    Then you haven't played with real cut-throat gamblers. I mean like in a seedy den on the outskirts of Manzikert at 4:00 AM in the morning over a prize like a batch of mail-order brides from the Ukraine up for resale. Like I'm talking really seedy stuff here. Like really cut-throat and dangerous.

    And they take their winning or losing seriously.
    What if you played Risk, but with actual people instead of little plastic dudes. And whenever you "lost" an army on a roll, one of those people had to die. Now, THAT would be a game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRiddy View Post
    What if you played Risk, but with actual people instead of little plastic dudes. And whenever you "lost" an army on a roll, one of those people had to die. Now, THAT would be a game.
    it'd be more humane to use puppies or mice or something

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRiddy View Post
    What if you played Risk, but with actual people instead of little plastic dudes. And whenever you "lost" an army on a roll, one of those people had to die. Now, THAT would be a game.
    I'm in. Who can recruit for our experiment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    it'd be more humane to use puppies or mice or something
    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    I'm in. Who can recruit for our experiment?
    Jem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRiddy View Post
    Jem.
    Sure. As long as you're prepared to win via any method - no matter how underhanded and dirty.

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    Alpha NT thread ftw.
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    that is what i was getting at. if there is an inescapable appropriation that is required in the act of understanding, this brings into question the validity of socionics in describing what is real, and hence stubborn contradictions that continue to plague me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    Sure. As long as you're prepared to win via any method - no matter how underhanded and dirty.
    I'm always willing to win in underhanded ways. Especially when there's an SEI on the line. How do you feel about using seduction as a weapon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    I'm always willing to win in underhanded ways. Especially when there's an SEI on the line. How do you feel about using seduction as a weapon?
    I would feel awesome about it. I think I want to be on your team.

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    OMG I'm already bored with this thread, and it's only talking about Risk. Let's go play crab soccer of something.

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    I'm a philosophy major. What you have to understand is that there are different fields that exist within philosophy that don't fit neatly into the areas mentioned. Two that come to mind are Continental philosophy, which focuses on issues like, "why do we exist?", and logic, which can be divided into informal logic (e.g, fallacies, argumentation) and formal logic (i.e., deductive logic).

    My favourite areas are logic and Analytic philosophy. I remember my first philosophy course. Of all the courses I had previously taken in university, it was the best match for my thought process. It involved theorizing, analyzing things logically, and had very little emphasis on empirical facts. This pretty much describes how I think most of the time.

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