Thanks to socionics

[Creepy-]

... I can rule out guys even faster than I did before. This is good in the long run [less wasted time, get any disappointment out of the early, etc.] but GEEZE. Kind of sucks in the short term.

/Rant. Have a nice evening.

[force my hand]

... I can rule out guys even faster than I did before. This is good in the long run [less wasted time, get any disappointment out of the early, etc.] but GEEZE. Kind of sucks in the short term.

/Rant. Have a nice evening.

Agreed. Except, for me, it's women and not guys.

[Creepy-]

Thanks to socionics, I know a bunch of acronyms that no one else in real life uses or would understand.

Thanks, socionics!

[Gilly]

Thanks to socionics, I lost 10 kilograms in only 2 weeks!

Have you ever noticed that all of the men you put in your avatars are EIE?

[redbaron]

Have you ever noticed that all of the men you put in your avatars are EIE?

that's because most of them are Bono

[force my hand]

Thanks to socionics, I know a bunch of acronyms that no one else in real life uses or would understand.

Thanks, socionics!

"Did you know you're ESI?"

*blank look*

"That means you are-"

*blank-look-turned-glare*

"...er, looking very pretty today."

[Creepy-]

Agreed. Except, for me, it's women and not guys.

Perhaps we are being too picky.







... No. We're not.

[unefille]

Thanks to socionics, I have a whole new way of stereotyping people and justifying my own flawed behaviour. ftw.

[force my hand]

Thanks to socionics, I have a whole new way of stereotyping people and justifying my own flawed behaviour. ftw.

I'm sure you'll one day overcome that.

[unefille]

I'm sure you'll one day overcome that.

[It was a joke.]

[force my hand]

[It was a joke.]

Likewise, of course.

[unefille]

Likewise, of course.

Dammit, you're too fast with the responding! I was like, duh - and going to come back to change my response, but you'd already struck!! Beaten again - by Delta!!!

[Creepy-]

Dammit, you're too fast with the responding! I was like, duh - and going to come back to change my response, but you'd already struck!! Beaten again - by Delta!!!

That's what you get for leaving us.

[force my hand]

Dammit, you're too fast with the responding! I was like, duh - and going to come back to change my response, but you'd already struck!! Beaten again - by Delta!!!

It's a choice between watching my laundry or refreshing the bored every two seconds.

...pun sort of intended.

[The Greeter]

This is one thing that worries me about socionics. Everybody deserves a chance.

[force my hand]

This is one thing that worries me about socionics. Everybody deserves a chance.

That's debatable, but I don't even think that's the point.

It's pretty easy to tell which people are worth your time, and chances are you're doing them a favour as well.

[Darkstar]

... I can rule out guys even faster than I did before. This is good in the long run [less wasted time, get any disappointment out of the early, etc.] but GEEZE. Kind of sucks in the short term.

/Rant. Have a nice evening.

What's wrong with ben?

[The Greeter]

That's debatable, but I don't even think that's the point.

It's pretty easy to tell which people are worth your time, and chances are you're doing them a favour as well.

As long people come to that conclusion because of who I am as opposed to what my type is, then I agree. To me, that is different from using socionics as a basis for avoiding possible relationships and/or people.

[Khamelion]

Thanks to socionics, I have a whole new way of stereotyping people and justifying my own flawed behaviour. ftw.

Word

I also use it to try and explain away bad behavior.




I didn't need socionics to sift through guys....and don't really use it for that much. I'm already pretty picky when it comes to them, I know what I want and don't want. If I did use socionics it would be that much harder...like...if I only looked for my dual.

Just pointless...

I'm open to the idea that the person who is right for me doesn't have to be my dual. There is too many other factors that are not related to socionics that interfere.

[Simon Ssmall]

Thanks to socionics.....nothing changed, yay.

[strrrng]

It definitely has described what it set out to do, generally. Like, why my closest intimate relationship was with an Se-ESTp 7w6 sx/so girl, lol...

But yeah, I avoid deltas like the plague (jk lol). I've developed stereotypes, but the significant traits in interaction and relationships have also become more salient through my understanding of functions.

shrug

[iAnnAu]

Agreed. Except, for me, it's women and not guys.

Just to stick another SLI comment in (complete with bad pun FTW) -
I *don't* use socionics to disqualify any interesting people, nor do I limit myself on a gender basis.
My other standards, however, disqualify almost every other living being I've ever come across.

[Creepy-]

To clarify: I did not mean that I now reject people based on type, nor that I am on a quest to find my dual and no one else will do.

I meant, because of the new kind of understanding I have [am building], it is easier to identify certain qualities that I might have overlooked before with unpleasant results [e.g. dating an ENFj for longer than i should have bc he was a great guy and I was sure we could get along just fine].

[tereg]

Socionics has helped me to understand the various problems and issues I face more holistically and more clearly.

However, the amount in which I understand my problems more I feel are not proportional to the amount in which I understand the solutions.

[tiny_dancer]

However, the amount in which I understand my problems more I feel are not proportional to the amount in which I understand the solutions.

heh heh Agreed.

[unefille]

More seriously though, sometimes I worry about all the negative implications of knowing socionics -- it only exacerbates my somewhat fatalistic tendencies -- I already tend to predict the general rise and fall of relationships, the flaws, the fights, the inconsistencies in behaviour, now I have another tool to aid to do this. But that's the thing -- any bad outcome of socionics is only the product of existing tendencies. Socionics only equals more stereotyping if you already have an existing tendency to stereotype; socionics only leads to cutting more people out of your life if you already tend to demarcate who you do and do not associate with preemptively or rigidly; it only becomes deterministic and leads people to assume things about their own abilities if you already have a tendency to second guess yourself, etc.

On the whole though, it's been largely beneficial -- mostly as applied to myself or in retrospect to understand why certain things happened the way they did, to understand precisely the whys of relationship failure and breakdown. And um, for someone as neurotic as I can be sometimes, that is a really good thing. It is quite useful often, particularly in understanding group dynamics (as opposed to group 'mood'), which is something, surprisingly, that often eludes me and is something I need to be/wish I were more capable of tuning into. I try not to apply it prospectively and therefore limit my social relations, but then, why not? I let other things such as educational background, interests, physical appearance etc all play a role in determining my relationships, why should I so adamantly restrict the role that interpersonal compatibility should play in predetermining relationships? I wouldn't not interact with someone because they're the wrong quadra or because they're not my dual, but I would use socionics to pick up on potential trouble spots and warning signs and get the hell out before things get ugly.

[Not A Communist Shill]

Having the System in my head means I am able to make accommadations for the behaviour of others, meaning I am more diplomatic and less likely to lose my temper. It also means I am able to make excuses on behalf of other people as well as give advice - though I feel I have always been able to do that (it's just that noone listens ).

[xyz]

Thanks to socionics, I have a whole new way of stereotyping people and justifying my own flawed behaviour. ftw.

And that's no joke!

I really don't think socionics would help us in the long-short-medium term.
And one of the reasons is because no one can come up with an agreed upon consesus for anyone's damn type.

[force my hand]

That's true, but in the broad view socionics is an attempt to make sense of very clear personality differences. If one clashes with a certain kind of person, and that person fits a certain type profile, it seems quite naively idealistic not to make the logical link for future reference based on a fear that you might be 'stereoptyping' (oh noes!11) someone.

Especially considering that most people are fundamentally the same. If you lived in New York your whole life and found your 'soul mate' there, does that mean you wouldn't have found an entirely different 'soul mate' had you lived in Seattle instead? There's nothing one person can give you that you can't get from most anyone else, so on the issue of stereotyping people, there really isn't that big of an opportunity cost.

All the great people I end up not knowing is balanced by all the vapid cunts I've managed to avoid.

[redbaron]

If you lived in New York your whole life and found your 'soul mate' there, does that mean you wouldn't have found an entirely different 'soul mate' had you lived in Seattle instead?

I completely agree with this.

[Simon Ssmall]

I completely agree with this.

Although Id like to be idealistic its how I feel too.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Especially considering that most people are fundamentally the same.

Ehhhhhhhhhhh......................... maybe. If that were so true though why can't we all get along? =p Cause fightin' and kickin' make our spoiled American lives interesting?

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Actually, yes. I don't think most people are fundamentally the same at all. Try again.

[redbaron]

Actually, yes. I don't think most people are fundamentally the same at all. Try again.

I don't think he meant they're the same literally like there are no differences. But what he meant (well, what *I* meant) is that people are people and if you think there's only one person in the world for you, you're living in your own private idaho.

[force my hand]

Actually, yes. I don't think most people are fundamentally the same at all. Try again.

Okay, so you want to live a life of poverty where no one respects you but assaults you daily both physically and sexually, where you never have enough food to eat or water to drink... how absurd.

Clearly there are some similarities across board. What are some others?

-having a life partner in whatever form that may take
-satisfying work
-enjoyable hobbies and free time in which to enjoy them
-a lack of stress

So there's a few ideas, but how coherent are they? Not very, even though they are obvious.

Unless you are a creationist (in which case there's no sense in reading further), you likely are aware of evolution in general terms and how human behaviour is largely geared towards maximizing your resources and potential to mate. Because we're a relatively intelligent species, we also have certain social behaviour that is essentially the same. We've all banded into nations. We all think in terms of us vs them, of which this forum is a prime example. We all follow certain mores and ideas of right and wrong that are applicable across cultures.

You may be under the impression that extreme political views somehow separate you from the flock, but you'd be wrong. If you understand them (which is often sadly not the case), each political ideology is after the same end even if no one realizes it or the method happens to be different. The end result of the holocaust to create a pure 'us' is no different from the socialist's view that society should be an egalitarian, yet still pure, 'us'. The true radical heads for Alaska and lives in isolation without the benefit of any techology - all the poseurs subscribe to Adbusters and drink fair trade coffee while watching Bono interviews on YouTube.

If you're a teenager in the West (or a not very bright adult), you tend you identify with individuality in absolute terms. Essentially this boils down to your consumer decisions and personal appearence, but when it comes to nearly everything else you pretty much act the same as everyone else. Get behind the wheel of a car and you'll be stopping at red lights just like every other asshole. Need money to live? You get a job and be there every morning at the same time, just like every other loser.

Of course, there are a few which don't follow the rules, either because, again, they aren't very bright, or because they somehow believe they are making a statement. Those usually end up conforming or spend time in prison, in which case they get to experience their collective humanity at a much more barbaric level where race decides us vs them and physical size directly impacts your access to various resources.

The only ones who truly are different are those who are literally insane and don't follow mainstream mores. And they usually don't live very long.

So tell me B&D, inform my silly self how you're sooo different from everyone else. I could call you a fag in a certain way and elicit the same response from you that I'd get from 95% of the population. But you're different. Right. *snore*