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    Okay, I fully understand how unbelievably annoying it is when someone constantly questions their type (I know I complain about it all the time) but I need clarification on something.

    Why is SLE/Beta being thrown around when it comes to my type? What about me points to this? What about me doesn't point to this? I'm having a very rough time deciding between E/I and Mimosa's thread didn't very well help matters...it only confused me more. I've never been 100% convinced of any type other than SLI and I guess i'm getting more willing to possibly look at others...even if they're not accurate, I was wondering what types seem to be the most clear for me? The only things I am absolutely positive about are **TP.

    What are some obvious differences between SLI/SLE/ILI. Please, I'm not joking, don't go abstract and shape-ish on me when i ask this because i won't read it. I'm asking for real life examples, not how such and such function cancels out such and such function blah blah blah. I'm asking how the differences play out when it comes to interacting with others and the environment, their thought processes, their relationships, their appearance, their mannerisms. NOT SHAPES AND FUNCTIONS. What are some things that separate an ESTP from an ISTP?

    Is INTP possible? Don't worry Delta, I'm not leaving yet. This is just out of curiosity.

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    This [1] [2] type of conduct separates Fi PoLR people and non Fi PoLR people. Where you would be the Fi PoLR person. Another example of that type of conduct is on the show two and a half men by the lead character. IMO that is.

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    So that points to ISTP? Yes, I'm really that clueless.

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    I've lately been considering other types too, but not because some random schmucks that don't know me and/or socionics have spoken, but because of my neverending curiosity and openness to new ideas as well as my desire to improve my overall socionics knowledge. And while I'll probably never put a lock on my self-typing no matter how extraordinary my theoretical knowledge will (potentially) become, SLI is what best feels at home right now, what has always felt best in the past and what will most likely feel the best in the future.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

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    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    What you gotta do ... is take some , cross it with and voila - do you like what you see? Say yes. It's that simple. To get to your base, this depends on whether you see as representing eggs or coasters. Eggs - your ego block is ridden, Coasters - you're nuts ... and probably an person. Next - what do you see in this? Just a black square? No - look closer. Can you not see a $ in there? If not, you're ego. And if you don't get what I'm talking about, you're .

    Np.

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    Jessica, don't get too caught up in the E/I dichotomy; just focus on your functional usage mainly.

    fwiw you VI more like ISTp IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    What you gotta do ... is take some , cross it with and voila - do you like what you see? Say yes. It's that simple. To get to your base, this depends on whether you see as representing eggs or coasters. Eggs - your ego block is ridden, Coasters - you're nuts ... and probably an person. Next - what do you see in this? Just a black square? No - look closer. Can you not see a $ in there? If not, you're ego. And if you don't get what I'm talking about, you're .

    Np.


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    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    I'm gonna say ESTp b/c I want you to be my dual... Your posts make my day sometimes, so, yeah...

    Sense of humor =

    Maybe someone else could get into how it's Beta or Delta... I'll try to get back to you with some practical examples of ESTp/ISTp/INTp after I get back from class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    I've lately been considering other types too, but not because some random schmucks that don't know me and/or socionics have spoken, but because of my neverending curiosity and openness to new ideas as well as my desire to improve my overall socionics knowledge. And while I'll probably never put a lock on my self-typing no matter how extraordinary my theoretical knowledge will (potentially) become, SLI is what best feels at home right now, what has always felt best in the past and what will most likely feel the best in the future.
    Yeah, same here. But for me, there's always been something that has been a bit off when it comes to SLI for me. I can't put my finger on it, but it just feels a bit...off. Dunno. I mean, it makes the most sense but there's that little bit that doesn't. If you could mix SLE/SLI/ILI together I think it'd work perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post
    I'm gonna say ESTp b/c I want you to be my dual... Your posts make my day sometimes, so, yeah...

    Sense of humor =

    Maybe someone else could get into how it's Beta or Delta... I'll try to get back to you with some practical examples of ESTp/ISTp/INTp after I get back from class.
    Haha, thanks JuJu, I thoroughly enjoy your posts also

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    By the way, what comes to mind is that the types I've been considering for myself happen to be pretty much the opposite of what has randomly been suggested by some folks here. I say you should learn, explore and connect things by yourself and don't listen to others much.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    By the way, what comes to mind is that the types I've been considering for myself happen to be pretty much the opposite of what has randomly been suggested by some. I say you should learn, explore and connect things by yourself and don't listen to others much.
    Yeah, I've been doing some thinking myself and ILI/SLE/SLI and maybe, only maybe LSI are the only ones I could even remotely be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    Yeah, I've been doing some thinking myself and ILI/SLE/SLI and maybe, only maybe LSI are the only ones I could even remotely be.
    Read more. And try to reflect on that.

    socionics.us, wikisocion.org, (and that russian site, I don't have the link here...) have some really helpful and useful information.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    To me, you have an "in your face" quality that seems very uncharacteristic of SLIs.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    To me, you have an "in your face" quality that seems very uncharacteristic of SLIs.
    Shut up, horn head. The only effect your comment could have is to increase her doubts.
    Last edited by Park; 10-08-2008 at 10:02 PM.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

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    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    What you gotta do ... is take some , cross it with and voila - do you like what you see? Say yes. It's that simple. To get to your base, this depends on whether you see as representing eggs or coasters. Eggs - your ego block is ridden, Coasters - you're nuts ... and probably an person. Next - what do you see in this? Just a black square? No - look closer. Can you not see a $ in there? If not, you're ego. And if you don't get what I'm talking about, you're .

    Np.
    best socionics explanation evar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    So that points to ISTP? Yes, I'm really that clueless.
    Fi POLR = EXTp

    It's loads of fun.
    ILE - Ti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    To me, you have an "in your face" quality that seems very uncharacteristic of SLIs.
    That's where I get confused. I try to be myself on here at all times and for the most part, I think I am but of course, we all say things online we wouldn't necessarily say in real life. When I think of SLI, I think calm, cool, collected, never prone to aggressiveness, stable moods, etc. And uh, I don't think you could possibly describe me as such. I think the main thing here that screws everything up and makes nothing make sense is that I'm very shy but yet extremely aggressive and 'in your face' when need be--sometimes too much--and to me, SLI's don't seem prone to that...at all. It's almost like I have split personalities in that regard. I can't collect my thoughts, more later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    When I think of SLI, I think calm, cool, collected, never prone to aggressiveness, stable moods, etc. And uh, I don't think you could possibly describe me as such.
    It depends on who're you around. I'm pretty much like that when I'm alone or with certain folks I bond with, other times I can be anything you could imagine.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    Shut up, horn head. The only effect your comment could have is to increase her doubts.
    i agree.

    increasing doubts is bad. doubt is the enemy of truth. anyone who doubts anything is less likely to have firm convictions. and firm convictions are always right.

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    I'm not sure if I can help you just now, only give you more to think about.. I think some people can get confused about how Fe PoLR manifests itself and that of Se ego. You could maybe read into Fe PoLR and Se ego.

    I don't have an opinion on your type just now. I think you should read into things on your own as well as asking for others input here.. Maybe someone else will post here with information which is more directly applicable to you.
    Last edited by Cyclops; 10-08-2008 at 10:28 PM. Reason: typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    i agree.

    increasing doubts is bad. doubt is the enemy of truth. anyone who doubts anything is less likely to have firm convictions. and firm convictions are always right.
    And your sarcasm is pathetic and pointless.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    i agree.

    increasing doubts is bad. doubt is the enemy of truth. anyone who doubts anything is less likely to have firm convictions. and firm convictions are always right.
    Pretty ironic coming from you.
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    Winterpark, I think we're just a bunch of SLI's. It's odd how drastic your personality can change depending on the situation. My personality is completely different at work, with family, with boyfriend, with friends (okay, i have a few)...which one do you go by? ha

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    What are some obvious differences between SLI/SLE/ILI.
    Here some stereotypes, although these people actually exist among my friends:

    Male SLE: The main party man, the one that gets the party going. REALLY OUTGOING, talks, touches and makes fun of nearly everyone that passes by. Usually constantly making jokes. TALKS his way out of every situation. Always boasting about their loan / money / swimming pool. I've never got bored around these guys.

    Female SLE: Some curse a lot. Have a big mouth, very high self confidence in social situations. never shy. Likes to sing. Usually smoke and drink a lot, not limited to weekends.

    Male SLI: Not the main party man, way more on the background. Likes danger and things that give adrenaline. Always has some experience with mechanics, tuning their motorcycle etc. Si subtypes read your face when you are talking to them. Really ackward.
    Si subtypes can be extremely cool and in control of their body.

    Female SLI: Friendly and inviting. usually seem always on the watch that nothing bad can happen around them or to them. like dancing, not singing. They like silent places, e.g. the woods or whatever. Always because of the quietness. Also like crisis situations (especially Si subtypes). Te subtypes are very well suited for intellectual discussions, probably the reason because of your ILI consideration? Si types like to listen to intellectual stuff. Si subtypes read your face when you are talking to them. Really ackward and makes me feel uncomfortable.

    Male ILI: analyst, not mechanical. glances with eyes. few eyecontact.

    Female ILI: Ni subtypes sometimes art lovers. paintings etc.


    Questions?

    ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    Pretty ironic coming from you.
    i don't understand this at all. why do you socionix people believe that i have ultrarigid-phaedrus-autistic views?

    does that really look like what i do to you at all? i really don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    Here some stereotypes for extra clarity:

    Male SLE: The main party man, the one that gets the party going. REALLY OUTGOING, talks, touches and makes fun of nearly everyone that passes by. Usually constantly making jokes. TALKS his way out of every situation. Always boasting about their loan / money / swimming pool.

    Female SLE: Some curse a lot. Have a big mouth, is never afraid or shy. Likes to sing. Usually smoke and drink a lot, not limited to weekends.

    Male SLI: Not the main party man, way more on the background. Likes danger and things that give adrenaline. Always has some experience with mechanics, tuning their motorcycle etc. Si subtypes read your face when you are talking to them. Really ackward.
    Si subtypes can be extremely cool and in control of their body.

    Female SLI: Friendly and inviting. usually seem always on the watch that nothing bad can happen around them or to them. like dancing, not singing. They like silent places, e.g. the woods or whatever. Always because of the quietness. Also like crisis situations (especially Si subtypes). Te subtypes are very well suited for intellectual discussions, probably the reason because of your ILI consideration? Si types like to listen to intellectual stuff. Si subtypes read your face when you are talking to them. Really ackward and makes me feel uncomfortable.

    Male ILI: analyst, not mechanical. glances with eyes. few eyecontact.

    Female ILI: Ni subtypes sometimes art lovers. paintings etc.


    Questions?

    ...
    haha...ahh. Definetly not SLE based on that. Eek. Those sorts scare me and turn me off a lot. I'm not like that and hope someone never views me like that.

    The SLI one fits a lot. Many ILI descriptions fit also. I think if I had to narrow it down to two types it'd be SLI/ILI with SLI the most probable. I find it very telling to base your type on interactions with others. SLI works. I just don't understand why people keep saying I belong in beta--there never really was a clear reason as to why they said that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    That's where I get confused. I try to be myself on here at all times and for the most part, I think I am but of course, we all say things online we wouldn't necessarily say in real life. When I think of SLI, I think calm, cool, collected, never prone to aggressiveness, stable moods, etc. And uh, I don't think you could possibly describe me as such. I think the main thing here that screws everything up and makes nothing make sense is that I'm very shy but yet extremely aggressive and 'in your face' when need be--sometimes too much--and to me, SLI's don't seem prone to that...at all. It's almost like I have split personalities in that regard. I can't collect my thoughts, more later.
    varying manifestations of behavior...sound like Fe values to anyone else?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    Here some stereotypes, although these people actually exist among my friends:

    Male SLE: The main party man, the one that gets the party going. REALLY OUTGOING, talks, touches and makes fun of nearly everyone that passes by. Usually constantly making jokes. TALKS his way out of every situation. Always boasting about their loan / money / swimming pool. I've never got bored around these guys.

    Female SLE: Some curse a lot. Have a big mouth, very high self confidence in social situations. never shy. Likes to sing. Usually smoke and drink a lot, not limited to weekends.

    Male SLI: Not the main party man, way more on the background. Likes danger and things that give adrenaline. Always has some experience with mechanics, tuning their motorcycle etc. Si subtypes read your face when you are talking to them. Really ackward.
    Si subtypes can be extremely cool and in control of their body.

    Female SLI: Friendly and inviting. usually seem always on the watch that nothing bad can happen around them or to them. like dancing, not singing. They like silent places, e.g. the woods or whatever. Always because of the quietness. Also like crisis situations (especially Si subtypes). Te subtypes are very well suited for intellectual discussions, probably the reason because of your ILI consideration? Si types like to listen to intellectual stuff. Si subtypes read your face when you are talking to them. Really ackward and makes me feel uncomfortable.

    Male ILI: analyst, not mechanical. glances with eyes. few eyecontact.

    Female ILI: Ni subtypes sometimes art lovers. paintings etc.


    Questions?

    ...
    This is a horrible way to go about typing someone.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    SLE's don't have anxiety disorders

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    LSIs do though
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    In fact, probably a lot more than SLIs.


    ...
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    noooo

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    FINE, YOU DON'T WANNA BE MY DUAL? BE THAT WAY, BITCH. YOU'LL NEVER SEE ME HANGING FROM THE CEILING BY MY COCK RING AGAIN.

    EVER.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    lol, what happened to your shirtless days on stickam?

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    They can return :wink:
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Tomorrow 7pm, sharp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    Tomorrow 7pm, sharp.
    Are you gonna be there?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    That's where I get confused. I try to be myself on here at all times and for the most part, I think I am but of course, we all say things online we wouldn't necessarily say in real life. When I think of SLI, I think calm, cool, collected, never prone to aggressiveness, stable moods, etc. And uh, I don't think you could possibly describe me as such. I think the main thing here that screws everything up and makes nothing make sense is that I'm very shy but yet extremely aggressive and 'in your face' when need be--sometimes too much--and to me, SLI's don't seem prone to that...at all. It's almost like I have split personalities in that regard. I can't collect my thoughts, more later.
    this is actually the part that reminds me most of my ISTP friend. she always claims to be shy and nervous in social situations but it's not obvious at all. in fact, the forceful thing is sort of something she tends to do to cover up her shyness. I've seen the way she acts around groups of people and in more intimate settings, so I can tell that she's putting on a "role" in the former. In groups of emotionally expressive and crazy people she gets really nervous that she can't provide the "reaction" that people want from her, so she either goes into Tom Cruise Clown Mode and is like "hey!!! muffin!!!!!!!!!!!!!" or she says things super bluntly and taciturnly.
    From my perspective, the "in your face" thing is just Fe-devaluing. Aren't there some INTPs on the forum who are just as forceful in that manner?
    If it helps, the way I would describe the difference between INTPs and ISTPs is that the INTP seems more "arrogant" (i.e. "listen to me knock down theories and make vague generalizations from my own perspective"-- Ni leading, Se DS) whereas the ISTP seems more "stubborn" ("no, that is not what people do/how things work/etc. no, no, oh..... maybe? Si leading, Ne DS).
    Also, I think you show the same kind of Fi valuing that my friend shows, which is hard to describe, but....umm... it's sort of like you say things that you know can be construed as immoral and mean (e.g. when you stole the fat girl's hot dogs), but you don't really intend it that way. Though people may think you are, you're not really criticising the fat girl; you're playfully mocking the situation because you can (i.e. there are no "bad" consequences). The reason for this is that you feel awkward directly asserting yourself as an ethical person, so you do things in which you illustrate that underneath the front you project, you're actually a good intentioned person. An ENFP would perceive this "good person potential" aspect of you instantly in that story, which (subconsciously) is I think what motivates you to tell it.
    That, and because ISTPs do like to be the center of attention....at times.
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