Originally Posted by
Topaz
I question Strrrngs type. I think Strrrng and Khamelion are duals. Khamelion is not ENFP.
Strrrng is not IEI. You can see this when you compare his style of interaction to somebody like misutii. Example of misutii:
http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...serlist#Salawa"I've read some of your posts on the forum where you've explored this subject (your type) and was under the impression that you were quite confident of being LIE, although you acknowledged the possibility of ILI. Is there anything particular about LIE that you've been uncomfortable relating to? I'm asking because, regarding your posts on the forum, you've demonstrated competence with the subject matter and have discussed the issue with others that have a greater understanding of socionics than myself (i.e. Expat). Thus I think it's reasonable to say that if I attempt to provide any sort of general "you are LIE because..." response it's unlikely to be of any use. On the other hand if you can direct me towards something particular it might be better focused and more interesting. For the record I'm quite sure you are a LIE-Ni subtype (whereas I think Joy, in contrast, is a LIE-Te subtype). Anyways look forward to hearing back from you."
"EJs, on the other hand, tend to readily take responsibilities upon themselves. Their relatively stable energy levels make them confident that if they’re up for something today they can be up for it tomorrow. This means they more often tend to make plans beforehand, confident in their ability to follow them through so long as they remain important. Extroversion is usually relatively easy to detect. It’s based on a sense of under-stimulation when alone, it’s this sense that therefore looks to the external world (people things etc.) as a means to compensate for the EJs inability to keep themselves stimulated. With introversion this issue is flipped. Introverts (especially IPs) usually feel an inner sense of stimulation and so too much contact with the external world leads to over-stimulation, which then may be countered with isolation to “recharge”. I.e. Whenever I go to a bar with flashing lights, loud music and lots of people, it’s obvious that I’m being “over stimulated”. It sometimes feels like I lose my ability to think for myself, I need people to follow around or I’ll end up feeling aimless and anxious so spend the night outside smoking. Though I resent feeling dependent on others in these situations I’m powerless to act for myself because every time I try to start thinking someone will bump into me, yell in my ear, or I’ll be distracted by the music, so I can never formulate a personal plan of action. But I see extroverts in this same situation and they seem to feed on it, are even pleasantly excited by it."
Example for strrrng:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ad.php?t=21795"If his goals couldn't be stated precisely, this points to Ni, not Ne. Ne is object-based, so you're not very likely to have trouble articulating the insights. And don't you know that Ni is dynamic, meaning that it is constantly changing, and given that it works with internal fields, this is what would cause someone to seem uncertain of their plans. Ni valuers have described this phenomenon countless times. And taking your dreams for plain reality is a classic beta attitude. He had visions and occupied power by INFLUENCING THE MINDS AND HEARTS OF THE PUBLIC, not grasping possibilities from multiple situations. Honestly, what the hell is this shit?"
"Having the natural propensity for influencing the emotions of other people is the cardinal trait of ENFjs. And I wasn't even referring to how certain one is of their goals; I was pointing out how Ni is much less defined and easily articulated than Ne, and that Ni peoples' visions/ideas tend to have that wavering quality. No, those traits you listed were Fi stereotypes and they shed no light on the actual cognitive process that occurs when that function is used. And don't bother referencing me to your "sources"; I am only interested in your arguments. And it was by no means a leap on my part to say that you didn't understand the functions. I didn't say that you didn't understand the function preemptively; I read your analysis and then educed that you didn't understand them. And I don't want to argue that he isn't NF, lol wtf; he is Ni-ENFj. Period. You're going against one of the core typings here, so if you want to convince me or anyone else on this forum, you're gonna have to provide a better functional analysis and stop using reinin dichotomies to conflate definitions."
"Are you kidding me? There is no reason why ENFj's aren't skilled at influencing others' emotions, aside from your shit reinin dichotomy fabrications. And if ENFj's are adept at understanding the emotions of others, doesn't it follow that they would be adept at influencing them, if they chose to? Yes, it does. Do you even understand functions? Have you read any of the type profiles? hmm...maybe if you continue with this idiocy I will paste some stuff from ENFj descriptions to show you you're wrong. And beyond that, denying the fact that Fe deals with not only understanding but influencing the emotions of others is abjectly stupid. Read augusta's functional definitions on Rick's site, read the definitions on the wiki. You won't find one credible source that has said Fe isn't about both of those things. Your position is laughable."
The obvious thing for me is that strrrng's stance is firm, he knows exactly what is and has no qualms about making that "truth" known. Whatever type he is I seriously doubt IEI as a possibility, or any ethical type for that matter. I'd say SLE as most likely.