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    Default Uh... Whats with all the Betas?

    Is it my imagination or are there a lot of Betas hanging out in Delta lately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz View Post
    Is it my imagination or are there a lot of Betas hanging out in Delta lately?

    Don't worry - in 3 weeks they'll all be Delta again.
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    We are getting our own back...

    If anyone comes back to Delta it will be as a secret mole. Or not. You'll never know for sure.
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    Hey, it's just a little intra-quadra socialising! We should be joyous that we've seen the day our two sides can overcome our differences and like, just hang and be chill, you know? lol as chill as Beta gets anyway!

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    It's the extermination campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    It's the extermination campaign.
    Why, are the Betas attempting massive suicide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz View Post
    Why, are the Betas attempting massive suicide?
    lol get in the fire pit, bitch.


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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    lol get in the fire pit, bitch.


    oops
    you are a nazi, arent you? Its starting to make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz View Post
    you are a nazi, arent you? Its starting to make sense.
    Only in the meta sense of the word. I ain't got nothing on the jews!

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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    Only in the meta sense of the word. I ain't got nothing on the jews!
    I dont understand what you mean. Could you elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz View Post
    I dont understand what you mean. Could you elaborate?
    I have the same beta-esque attitude that people commonly associate with hitler's regime, but I have no real prejudicial beliefs towards any race/religion, despite some caustic humor, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz View Post
    Is it my imagination or are there a lot of Betas hanging out in Delta lately?
    LokiVanguard, jessica129 and Winterpark are probably Ti/Fe.

    We've made a few successful conversions with JuJu, idolatrie and unefille, all of whom are both intelligent and mature enough to make the change to Beta. Why these so-called "ISTP"s are being so stubborn I couldn't tell you. It's a shame they have to hide where their true sentiments lie. Either that, or they misunderstand socionics, which is fair enough. They'll be educated over time.
    Ideas don't determine who's right. Power determines who's right. And I have the power. So I'm right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    LokiVanguard, jessica129 and Winterpark are probably Ti/Fe.

    We've made a few successful conversions with JuJu, idolatrie and unefille, all of whom are both intelligent and mature enough to make the change to Beta. Why these so-called "ISTP"s are being so stubborn I couldn't tell you. It's a shame they have to hide where their true sentiments lie. Either that, or they misunderstand socionics, which is fair enough. They'll be educated over time.
    I highly doubt any of these people are beta.

    edit: I was referring to the ISTps.
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    The lesson Topaz draws to our attention is that if you mention something it will become more prevalent; making a thread about why there are so many betas has only drawn more beta input. The technique at hand here is good to keep in mind for other general uses.
    Pre-2013 post are written with incomplete understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    The lesson Topaz draws to our attention is that if you mention something it will become more prevalent; making a thread about why there are so many betas has only drawn more beta input. The technique at hand here is good to keep in mind for other general uses.
    Add it to the Ti rulebook, lol.

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    Based on his personal life and habits I think Hitler is IEE, and I just posted a comprehensive argument for it on wikisocion with reference to all 15 dichotomies. There was a lot of uproar over this, probably from Deltas.

    http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...e=Adolf_Hitler

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    It's a shame they have to hide where their true sentiments lie. Either that, or they misunderstand socionics, which is fair enough. They'll be educated over time.
    lol

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    You thinking hitler is ENFp is perfect proof of why the reinin dichotomies suck, or at least shouldn't be prioritized above FUNCTIONAL USAGE (you know, that thing that socionics was founded on?), due to the confusing contextual factors and distortion of semantics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    You thinking hitler is ENFp is perfect proof of why the reinin dichotomies suck, or at least shouldn't be prioritized above FUNCTIONAL USAGE (you know, that thing that socionics was founded on?), due to the confusing contextual factors and distortion of semantics.
    I would consider Hitler IEE even without Reinin.

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    As a tactician, Hitler has always been afraid of the irrevocability of so-called final decisions. He never had at any moment a goal that he could state precisely or a real and clear strategy revealing what his intentions were. To fully understand Hitler, one must not forget that he took his dreams for plain reality. He was inaccessible to doubts or advice to show restrain or moderation. This raw power of imagination and desire was never weakened during the war, even when events took a turn for the worse. He had only visions and the power allowing him to grasp the possibilities offered by all kinds of situations, of which he would take advantage swiftly and forcibly.

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    In terms of man-management, Hitler was - astonishingly enough - a very considerate boss. He was adored by those who worked closest with him. He remembered their names and birthdays, visited them when they were ill, and they repaid him with lifetime devotion, even after his crimes became generally known.

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    People showed him respect because he had succeeded in reestablishing law and order and reducing unemployment.

    Infantile -

    After a time, those who called themselves his advisors became afraid of the excesses of his government and of its risky policies. One can talk of childishness and infantilism regarding his fits of passion, that even his generals and Feld-Marshalls feared, to the point of becoming trembling and insignificant puppets before him.




    *If you read the Reinin arguments, you will see that they also point to specific IM elements (see wikisocion talk page); however, I did not think it would be as appropriate to split the information into functions when they more clearly delineated traits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huitzilopochtli View Post
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    As a tactician, Hitler has always been afraid of the irrevocability of so-called final decisions. He never had at any moment a goal that he could state precisely or a real and clear strategy revealing what his intentions were. To fully understand Hitler, one must not forget that he took his dreams for plain reality. He was inaccessible to doubts or advice to show restrain or moderation. This raw power of imagination and desire was never weakened during the war, even when events took a turn for the worse. He had only visions and the power allowing him to grasp the possibilities offered by all kinds of situations, of which he would take advantage swiftly and forcibly.
    If his goals couldn't be stated precisely, this points to Ni, not Ne. Ne is object-based, so you're not very likely to have trouble articulating the insights. And don't you know that Ni is dynamic, meaning that it is constantly changing, and given that it works with internal fields, this is what would cause someone to seem uncertain of their plans. Ni valuers have described this phenomenon countless times. And taking your dreams for plain reality is a classic beta attitude. He had visions and occupied power by INFLUENCING THE MINDS AND HEARTS OF THE PUBLIC, not grasping possibilities from multiple situations. Honestly, what the hell is this shit?

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    In terms of man-management, Hitler was - astonishingly enough - a very considerate boss. He was adored by those who worked closest with him. He remembered their names and birthdays, visited them when they were ill, and they repaid him with lifetime devotion, even after his crimes became generally known.
    Um, wow, learn functions. These petty behaviors are stupid stereotypes of Fi, not a mode of information processing, lol.

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    People showed him respect because he had succeeded in reestablishing law and order and reducing unemployment.
    lol, perfect example of reinin dichotomy contextual distortion. And you're Ne polr, lol?

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    After a time, those who called themselves his advisors became afraid of the excesses of his government and of its risky policies. One can talk of childishness and infantilism regarding his fits of passion, that even his generals and Feld-Marshalls feared, to the point of becoming trembling and insignificant puppets before him.
    Wow, this is so horribly retarded I don't know what to say. Relating some insipid "erotic attitude" to how he went about his government policies and fits of passion? He was a bi-polar schzophrenic psycho fucker, give me a break.

    *If you read the Reinin arguments, you will see that they also point to specific IM elements (see wikisocion talk page); however, I did not think it would be as appropriate to split the information into functions when they more clearly delineated traits
    Yeah, whatever you say, lol.

    I would consider Hitler IEE even without Reinin.
    Then you don't understand the functions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    If his goals couldn't be stated precisely, this points to Ni, not Ne. Ne is object-based, so you're not very likely to have trouble articulating the insights. And don't you know that Ni is dynamic, meaning that it is constantly changing, and given that it works with internal fields, this is what would cause someone to seem uncertain of their plans. Ni valuers have described this phenomenon countless times. And taking your dreams for plain reality is a classic beta attitude. He had visions and occupied power by INFLUENCING THE MINDS AND HEARTS OF THE PUBLIC, not grasping possibilities from multiple situations. Honestly, what the hell is this shit?

    Um, wow, learn functions. These petty behaviors are stupid stereotypes of Fi, not a mode of information processing, lol.

    lol, perfect example of reinin dichotomy contextual distortion. And you're Ne polr, lol?

    Wow, this is so horribly retarded I don't know what to say. Relating some insipid "erotic attitude" to how he went about his government policies and fits of passion? He was a bi-polar schzophrenic psycho fucker, give me a break.

    Yeah, whatever you say, lol.

    Then you don't understand the functions.
    I am not using semantic arguments, you are. Wanting to influence the hearts and minds of the public is feeling not intuition, and being unsure of goals actually points to being tactical rather than strategic (also not intuition and not exclusive to Ni - if anything I would actually expect Ni to be more focused on decisive goals in the future than on judicious possibilities in the present). The other arguments you have made are not specific to Ni or Beta, just intuition and feeling. The Fi arguments are not stereotypes, and they are pretty typical of descriptions of Hitler and of Fi-valuing (though not all Fi-valuing has to be expressed this way). If you want a stronger case for Fi then read the feeling, static, and serious arguments on the wikisocion page as there is no way that he is Fe-valuing. Making the leap that I would type someone a certain way for not understanding the functions is despicable reasoning on your part. If you want a better understanding of his infantilism then read the extroverted, emotivist, and tactical sections. And if you want to argue that he was not NF, go ahead my friend, but your arguments fall on deaf ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz View Post
    Is it my imagination or are there a lot of Betas hanging out in Delta lately?
    It's because Deltas got things Betas want. Now if Betas also had something to offer in return. Not that they don't have anything to offer, but typically they are things Deltas have no need of...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huitzilopochtli View Post
    I am not using semantic arguments, you are. Wanting to influence the hearts and minds of the public is feeling not intuition, and being unsure of goals actually points to being tactical rather than strategic (also not intuition and not exclusive to Ni - if anything I would actually expect Ni to be more focused on decisive goals in the future than on judicious possibilities in the present). The other arguments you have made are not specific to Ni or Beta, just intuition and feeling. The Fi arguments are not stereotypes, and they are pretty typical of descriptions of Hitler and of Fi-valuing (though not all Fi-valuing has to be expressed this way). If you want a stronger case for Fi then read the feeling, static, and serious arguments on the wikisocion page as there is no way that he is Fe-valuing. Making the leap that I would type someone a certain way for not understanding the functions is despicable reasoning on your part. If you want a better understanding of his infantilism then read the extroverted, emotivist, and tactical sections. And if you want to argue that he was not NF, go ahead my friend, but your arguments fall on deaf ears.
    Having the natural propensity for influencing the emotions of other people is the cardinal trait of ENFjs. And I wasn't even referring to how certain one is of their goals; I was pointing out how Ni is much less defined and easily articulated than Ne, and that Ni peoples' visions/ideas tend to have that wavering quality. No, those traits you listed were Fi stereotypes and they shed no light on the actual cognitive process that occurs when that function is used. And don't bother referencing me to your "sources"; I am only interested in your arguments. And it was by no means a leap on my part to say that you didn't understand the functions. I didn't say that you didn't understand the function preemptively; I read your analysis and then educed that you didn't understand them. And I don't want to argue that he isn't NF, lol wtf; he is Ni-ENFj. Period. You're going against one of the core typings here, so if you want to convince me or anyone else on this forum, you're gonna have to provide a better functional analysis and stop using reinin dichotomies to conflate definitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    It's because Deltas got things Betas want. Now if Betas also had something to offer in return. Not that they don't have anything to offer, but typically they are things Deltas have no need of...
    I don't want shit from delta, lol.

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    Not that I'm claiming to be Beta, but Gamma has been side-tracked lately anyway, by Beta's no less....okay and one renegade ESFp who seems to get on with Beta PRETTY welllll....


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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    I don't want shit from delta, lol.
    Yes you do! Admit it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    Having the natural propensity for influencing the emotions of other people is the cardinal trait of ENFjs.
    This is called emotion-creating (SEI, LII, LSI, IEI, SEE, LIE, LSE, IEE), which EIE is not. EIEs specialize in understanding the emotions of others, not influencing them, so you may want to reconsider your core typing. Your other arguments are ambiguous and subjective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huitzilopochtli View Post
    This is called emotion-creating (SEI, LII, LSI, IEI, SEE, LIE, LSE, IEE), which EIE is not. EIEs specialize in understanding the emotions of others, not influencing them, so you may want to reconsider your core typing. Your other arguments are ambiguous and subjective.
    Are you kidding me? There is no reason why ENFj's aren't skilled at influencing others' emotions, aside from your shit reinin dichotomy fabrications. And if ENFj's are adept at understanding the emotions of others, doesn't it follow that they would be adept at influencing them, if they chose to? Yes, it does. Do you even understand functions? Have you read any of the type profiles? hmm...maybe if you continue with this idiocy I will paste some stuff from ENFj descriptions to show you you're wrong. And beyond that, denying the fact that Fe deals with not only understanding but influencing the emotions of others is abjectly stupid. Read augusta's functional definitions on Rick's site, read the definitions on the wiki. You won't find one credible source that has said Fe isn't about both of those things. Your position is laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huitzilopochtli View Post
    This is called emotion-creating (SEI, LII, LSI, IEI, SEE, LIE, LSE, IEE), which EIE is not. EIEs specialize in understanding the emotions of others, not influencing them, so you may want to reconsider your core typing. Your other arguments are ambiguous and subjective.
    I think you have some things backwards thar.....>_>
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    Are you kidding me? There is no reason why ENFj's aren't skilled at influencing others' emotions, aside from your shit reinin dichotomy fabrications. And if ENFj's are adept at understanding the emotions of others, doesn't it follow that they would be adept at influencing them, if they chose to? Yes, it does. Do you even understand functions? Have you read any of the type profiles? hmm...maybe if you continue with this idiocy I will paste some stuff from ENFj descriptions to show you you're wrong. And beyond that, denying the fact that Fe deals with not only understanding but influencing the emotions of others is abjectly stupid. Read augusta's functional definitions on Rick's site, read the definitions on the wiki. You won't find one credible source that has said Fe isn't about both of those things. Your position is laughable.

    Ok, give me some aesthetic appreciation and I'll give you some vision.
    While you're @ it, explain this:

    ENFjs enjoy the company of people who give off plenty of positive emotions. They like and in fact need to laugh in order to discharge the emotional energy that accumulates within. Their own emotions are of a dramatic nature, which they try hard to control. Sometimes, however, ENFjs can unexpectedly explode attracting unwanted attention to themselves.

    http://www.socionics.com/prof/enfj.htm

    unefille gives this vibe off sometimes, and so did my high school sweetheart (who is a a core EIE)
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    I think you have some things backwards thar.....>_>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huitzilopochtli View Post
    While you're @ it, explain this:

    ENFjs enjoy the company of people who give off plenty of positive emotions. They like and in fact need to laugh in order to discharge the emotional energy that accumulates within. Their own emotions are of a dramatic nature, which they try hard to control. Sometimes, however, ENFjs can unexpectedly explode attracting unwanted attention to themselves.

    http://www.socionics.com/prof/enfj.htm

    unefille gives this vibe off sometimes, and so did my high school sweetheart (who is a a core EIE)

    http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p..._and_emotivist
    lol, don't try to dupe me with cherry-picked descriptions from that deluded piece of shit ganin's site. You realize that a description can say anything, right? It's the basis of its assertion that matters. Which is why I asked you to quote from sites like rick's or the wiki. But, since you want to be a fucker about it, I'll quote some legit sources for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by wikisocion Fe/ENFj shit
    Extroverted ethics is generally associated with the ability to recognize and convey (i.e. make others experience) passions, moods, and emotional states, generate excitement, liveliness, and feelings, get emotionally involved in activities and emotionally involve others, recognize and describe emotional interaction between people and groups, and build a sense of community and emotional unity.
    durr

    The individual is keenly aware of emotions being displayed around him and responds to them immediately, without particularly thinking about it. Additionally, the individual easily grasps what drives people, how engaged they are in any particular activity and why. Excitement and passion contrast with boredom, jadedness, and disconnection.
    He perceives reality primarily through the prism of the external emotional atmosphere around him, mainly but not exclusively from the other people present. For instance, the "vibe" given off by a particular place, landscape, work of art, movie etc will also be registered as very significant for him. He will be proactive about steering the emotional flow in the direction he himself considers suitable (or even vital) to a given situation. He may, for example, try to "liven up" the atmosphere with jokes if he sees that people are too gloomy or, conversely, to get people to be serious and concentrated if they are too carefree during a crisis situation. He tries to rely on external expressions as an indicator of inner state, and to make his own as harmonious as possible. He is intrigued by people who don't let all their attitudes and emotions out immediately when they feel them, they (usually introverted logicals) make him want to explore the person more deeply, through either emotional button-pushing or conversational inquiry. IxTjs will respond well to this inquiry, IxTps poorly.
    durr

    EIEs are naturally animate and passionate and are skilled at generating liveliness and excitement. They believe that people need to be emotionally involved in life, not distant or indifferent to the important things that are happening.
    And what did good old adolf do? *burp*

    Quote Originally Posted by Augusta's Fe description
    Perceives information about processes taking place in objects — first of all, emotional processes that are taking place in people, their excitation or subduedness, and their moods. This perceptual element implies the ability to know what excites people, and what suppresses them. It defines a person's ability or inability to control his emotional state, and also the emotional states of other people.

    When this element is in the leading position, the individual has the innate ability to induce or convey his moods to others and energize people with his emotions. He is able to activate the psychological/spiritual lives of other people and their emotional readiness for action. You might say that such a person has the ability to infect others with his moods and tends to impose on others the emotional states that he considers beneficial for their life activities.
    A Te polr just Te'd you up the ass, bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    lol, don't try to dupe me with cherry-picked descriptions from that deluded piece of shit ganin's site. You realize that a description can say anything, right? It's the basis of its assertion that matters. Which is why I asked you to quote from sites like rick's or the wiki. But, since you want to be a fucker about it, I'll quote some legit sources for you.

    durr

    durr

    And what did good old adolf do? *burp*

    A Te polr just Te'd you up the ass, bitch.
    Well, you missed this (I color coded it to help you see the difference):

    Green - perceiving emotions; Red - creating emotions




    as a base (1st) function (ESE and EIE)

    The individual is keenly aware of emotions being displayed around him and responds to them immediately, without particularly thinking about it. Additionally, the individual easily grasps what drives people, how engaged they are in any particular activity and why. Excitement and passion contrast with boredom, jadedness, and disconnection.
    He perceives reality primarily through the prism of the external emotional atmosphere around him, mainly but not exclusively from the other people present. For instance, the "vibe" given off by a particular place, landscape, work of art, movie etc will also be registered as very significant for him.
    He will be proactive about steering the emotional flow in the direction he himself considers suitable (or even vital) to a given situation. He may, for example, try to "liven up" the atmosphere with jokes if he sees that people are too gloomy or, conversely, to get people to be serious and concentratedif they are too carefree during a crisis situation. He tries to rely on external expressions as an indicator of inner state, and to make his own as harmonious as possible.
    He is intrigued by people who don't let all their attitudes and emotions out immediately when they feel them, they (usually introverted logicals) make him want to explore the person more deeply, through either emotional button-pushing or conversational inquiry. IxTjs will respond well to this inquiry, IxTps poorly.


    as a creative (2nd) function (SEI and IEI)

    The person is sensitive to the emotional atmosphere around him, either from an individual, or a group, or even from inanimate objects such as the landscape, the state of the physical environment he happens to be in, or his own emotional associations with the place or people around him. A positive emotional atmophere is essential for his sense of well being and inner peace, and he either tries to promote it himself by directly influencing it around him, or by simply moving away from the environment or the people causing a negative emotional environment in his view. For the SEI, this takes an on-the-spot aspect and is reflected in cracking jokes, trying to make people laugh, or simply moving away from people he perceives as affecting him negatively. For the IEI, this takes a longer-term perspective; so the focus, rather than being on the immediate emotional environment, is on the perceived longer-term emotional state of others towards the individual, and is reflected in trying to be on good terms with those he interacts with or seeking distance or protection from, or "preventively" attacking, those he sees as irremediably hostile emotionally.



    No one said that constructivists cannot inspire emotions, but the emphasis for the first description was in recognizing emotions and the basis in the second was in producing them. F-leading will try to understand someone even if they do not like them, but will not try to change them. F-creative will try to change them or go somewhere else. If you read the feeling section (not that I think you will) you will notice in the first paragraph that Hitler would leave whenever he felt that he was not accepted, and did so on many occasions. Emotion-creating and emotion-accepting are 2 different things. Since you are so keen on Augusta's model you should learn the difference.

    As for Augusta, you yourself criticize her definitions constantly because she incorporated unvalued functions, and either way her description of Fi contains what makes Hitler unique among other charismatic leaders (which was mostly a press image and otherwise fear-controlled @ the higher levels; most accounts say that Hitler himself was not particularly convincing or even sociable, just powerful, and his understanding of others during direct interactions often seemed too superficial, self-absorbed, and impersonal for an EIE - if you read his personal psychological profile and witness accounts even without the Reinin labels this will be immediately obvious):

    Such an individual perceives information about this facet of objective reality the individual perceives as a need for certain objects that satisfy physical wishes/desires, psychological or spiritual desires, and a need for other people — in other words, a person's wishes/desires and interests that are directed toward animate and inanimate objects. This includes feelings of like and dislike, love and hatred, the desire to obtain some thing/object, etc., and greed or the absense of greed. The higher feelings of this kind can be called ethical, because relationships between people's needs are mainly regulated by ethical normals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    The lesson Topaz draws to our attention is that if you mention something it will become more prevalent; making a thread about why there are so many betas has only drawn more beta input. The technique at hand here is good to keep in mind for other general uses.
    Good call UDP. I was hoping to bring the swelling to a head and draw out all the puss. I leave for a few hours and come back to WW III!!!! This time we've got two Hitlers! I guess these Betas just might be on a suicidal campaign. (come to think of it Hitler did kill himself)...... Carry on Betas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz View Post
    Good call UDP. I was hoping to bring the swelling to a head and draw out all the puss. I leave for a few hours and come back to WW III!!!! This time we've got two Hitlers! I guess these Betas just might be on a suicidal campaign. (come to think of it Hitler did kill himself)...... Carry on Betas.
    yeah right, Hitler was IEE...like you! =P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    We've made a few successful conversions with JuJu, idolatrie and unefille, all of whom are both intelligent and mature enough to make the change to Beta. Why these so-called "ISTP"s are being so stubborn I couldn't tell you. It's a shame they have to hide where their true sentiments lie. Either that, or they misunderstand socionics, which is fair enough. They'll be educated over time.
    Ezra, I'm asking you honestly what type in Beta I could possibly fit into. It makes no sense whatsoever. Had you actually met me in real life and not based it on my online persona, it wouldn't even be a question. SLE? It's so completely laughable and so is LSI. Frankly, I'm getting irritated by this. You're assuming I know nothing. You can have doubts about my type, that's fine, but don't be an ass about it and imply we're dumb or ignorant ...you insist on doing this..I'm not sure you realize you're being offensive but you are. I don't constantly say someone is such-and-such type because 1) It's none of my business 2) They know themselves more than I know them 3) It's ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    Ezra, I'm asking you honestly what type in Beta I could possibly fit into. It makes no sense whatsoever. Had you actually met me in real life and not based it on my online persona, it wouldn't even be a question. SLE? It's so completely laughable and so is LSI. Frankly, I'm getting irritated by this. You're assuming I know nothing. You can have doubts about my type, that's fine, but don't be an ass about it and imply we're dumb or ignorant ...you insist on doing this..I'm not sure you realize you're being offensive but you are. I don't constantly say someone is such-and-such type because 1) It's none of my business 2) They know themselves more than I know them 3) It's ignorant.
    You must realize that Ezra is in the upper 10% of the human race in terms of ability, and that he's only thinking for you because he carez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huitzilopochtli View Post
    yeah right, Hitler was IEE...like you! =P
    Your notion is simply retarded. Even a general understanding of quadras values and themes would clearly illustrate that hitler is ENFj. For a supposed Ne polr, you sure are good at shifting contexts, and coming up with theories which you conflate with other theories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huitzilopochtli View Post
    Based on his personal life and habits I think Hitler is IEE, and I just posted a comprehensive argument for it on wikisocion with reference to all 15 dichotomies. There was a lot of uproar over this, probably from Deltas.

    http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...e=Adolf_Hitler



    lol
    HOW THE FUCK IS HITLER Si DUAL-SEEKING, DOUCHE BAG?
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

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    no need to yell Allie.
    @Strrrng: What virtuous qualities do you see in the Nazi Regime that you think embodies you attitude and that of the rest of Beta?

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