INFps and ENFjs how do you handle Ni when faced with it?

[tcaudilllg]

When you're faced with bad Ni -- like a premonition of disaster or something, what do you do about it?

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

I tell other people about it in a serious, epic voice. Letting people know that it's important.

If they don't value this is frustrating. Because it's like I *know* I'm right, but they can't see that- they think I'm being a silly mystic fag or something. Which, as true as that is, I'm still correct and confident about my intuition. If I wasn't why would I be getting these senses so strongly? I've seen people put themselves in really bad situations because they couldn't see things ahead of time.

There are situations that work against your intuitions, and I need help with these- but they seem few and far between.

I feel very frustrated with a person if they do not listen to my visions. I have this power for a reason.

It's hard for me to get the scope of all the situations I'm capable of with though, which is my bad. is a prism, and is a laser. I need people to show me that everything is okay, that I can fit in more situations that I realize. But they need to listen to me when I say slow down, that's probably not a good idea. Things are only worth doing when you do them correctly and to the best ideal possible.

[betterthan]

Depends what it is concerning, I think that it's warning sign to change something, so I think about what is linked up to it and I try to change those things, in the hope that it will change the negative outcome into something good or neutral. If I can't change it I just avoid it, I often don't talk about it to other people because they are pretty much like WTF?, so sometimes, I will just say -I got a bad feeling about that-. It is frustrating, like you say Bullets&Doves, when nobody will listen, so thats why I have stopped trying to convince, I just make a statement in the hopes that they will listen to me next time.

And that's how I roll.

[aka-kitsune]

When you're faced with bad Ni -- like a premonition of disaster or something, what do you do about it?

Generally, I just panic. My bad experiences usually feel like impending doom, but only for me personally. They feel like I'm trapped in a very small room with the walls closing in.

[tcaudilllg]

Thanks for the help, but it's just a little too vague and general to be of use, I'm afraid. Don't be afraid to go into the political dimension on this, like, Left-Right, Late Adopters-vs-Early Adopters, etc. Which is the threat? Is it a trend? Or do you yourself seek to create the trend to ward off the projected outcome? I'm trying to get a comprehensive understanding of how the Ni element works by processing contravailing aspects against each other. What I'm lacking, are concrete examples.

[aka-kitsune]

Thanks for the help, but it's just a little too vague and general to be of use, I'm afraid. Don't be afraid to go into the political dimension on this, like, Left-Right, Late Adopters-vs-Early Adopters, etc. Which is the threat? Is it a trend? Or do you yourself seek to create the trend to ward off the projected outcome? I'm trying to get a comprehensive understanding of how the Ni element works by processing contravailing aspects against each other. What I'm lacking, are concrete examples.

Hmm. I'm not sure what the political dimension has to do with it, but I often feel that if I'm not emotionally involved with trends, I can usually see where they're going to lead. Usually, I find people en masse are either not proactive or diligent in anticipating the outcome of their decisions/actions. I often think they either don't care or don't want to see any potential "negative" results and ignore them. I'm always on the lookout for negative trends.

I can often connect my observations in order to predict what physical action someone will take and thus mitigate "damage" or regression. Like, I once was ordering dinner in a restaurant with a friend. The waiter was writing down what we asked for, but at some point I noticed that his attention was distracted. I immediately knew he'd made an incorrect assumption that we'd wanted one dinner instead of two. My friend assumed the waiter had taken everything down correctly because he hadn't observed carefully.

I often have felt like Cassandra (of Troy) or Chicken Little... ala:

me: X is going to happen if Y does.
them: Why are you so negative?



In my own affairs, I often try to head off undesirable outcomes, but I feel that my subjectivity hampers my ability to know what is really possible to derive from my given situation.

[redbaron]

I often have felt like Cassandra (of Troy) or Chicken Little... ala:

me: X is going to happen if Y does.
them: Why are you so negative?



In my own affairs, I often try to head off undesirable outcomes, but I feel that my subjectivity hampers my ability to know what is really possible to derive from my given situation.

Yes. my husband thinks I'm the queen of negativity but I'm really just trying to help. Somewhere along the line you learn to shut up about it, at least with certain people. I mean, especially if it's over little things. Personally, I'm not always sure that there's anything I can do about the things I think might happen. I once had a dream that I was getting on a plane and I couldn't back down (not that I tried, no, I got on willingly) and was escorted to a seat on TOP of the plane, on the outside of it. And I knew the ride would be really uncomfortable and that it was going to rain etc but I also knew I just had to put up with it, so I did. I almost never seek myself to direct a trend unless it's in a small way, say, with a relationship. So I guess in short, I don't do anything about a premonition of a disaster because I largely feel I have no power. (I'm without my dual, you see) But in situations where I know I can make a difference like with a friendship or something, I can try, yes. For example, with this SEI friend I had, a long time ago when we first became friends, I asked him if his wife was okay with it, knowing it might be an issue. At the time he said yes which is what I wanted to hear, so I accepted that answer. But of course in the end, she was too jealous and that was the undoing. Along the way, I did things that I thought would help the situation such as being friendly to her, trying to draw her in so that she didn't feel left out. But those overtures backfired and made her even more uncomfortable. whatever. I tried. It sucks. And I know these aren't the kind of examples you're looking for! I'm rambling....sorry.

[tcaudilllg]

It's no problem... this is just a very difficult concept for me to wrap my head about. I'm trying to imagine what it must be like for two timelines to collide with each other. Oh I think I remember something like this: time travel is a similar idea, right? Especially when parallel dimensions are involved. The basic idea of time travel is Gamma NT; the parallel dimension variety is Beta NF.

The really complicated factor with regards to this is that some Ni is related to time, and other types of it are related to the patterns which comprise time through their selection and execution. I've got a pretty good idea of what it means for destiny to clash against fate; but for process to clash against ambition is a bit more complicated for me to understand. Ambition is too complex though, because it is a process executed with regard to the time and place; I need just the process.

I'm trying to understand those "threads" unefille was talking about in the "On Ni" thread: how they work and what defines them. I know that there should be four distinct perspectives of Ni regarding them, two private and another more or less global and all encompassing: the machine vs. evolution, you might say.

[JuJu]

Generally, I just panic. My bad experiences usually feel like impending doom, but only for me personally. They feel like I'm trapped in a very small room with the walls closing in.

well-put... i've often kept a lot of NI info to myself b/c on occasions when i revealed it, ppl looked at me like "wtf..." So, to others, I usually just say something along the lines of, "are you sure that's a good idea..?" (with a very skeptical look on my face.)

Personally, I'll just attempt to avert the impending doom... E.g. I feel a relationship is going bad--I lay the groundwork for the "good-byes."