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    There is surface and limited info. No known of life made images on real look.

    Supposed on wide known.
    Charismatic leader. Motivated to large war among means for "better good".
    Was inclined to collectivistic approach, when material resources are shared equally. Meanwhile in power above people was rather autharitarian. Supported strict restrictions for clothes. Inputed rules for many situations.

    There should be people who know better him as a human. Those who studed his religious views and other data about him.

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    Based on Socionics portraits of the types, he was a stereotypical EIE (if he existed), based on the hadith and other alleged biographical info that came around 200 years after he allegedly lived. Based on the qur'an, there's not really much that can be said (the later creation probably isn't even mentioned in it - Jesus is however, as the praiseworthy one "Muhammad").

    In Big Five terms, he was probably extroverted (very dominant and assertive), low in openness to experience (was hostile towards culture generally), low in agreeableness, low in conscientiousness (a very impulsive and erratic person), and high in neuroticism (had very weird neuroses, very paranoid, very superstitious, weird ritual obsessions with odd numbers, peculiar beliefs about hygiene). So, arguably "ESTP", "SLE".

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    There are several books about "Al-Sīra al-Nabawiyya" which are his biographies.

    What is more interesting and quite unique is the inclusion of the "isnads" which are the chains of transmissions.

    We can say that his existence is proven by 1) the influence he had and still has on so many people throughout the ages and 2) the rigor by which his teaching and "Sunnah" have been collected and transmitted (at least up to a certain point of time).

    However, I have my suspicion about the so called authenticity and even Divine protection from alteration of the hadith books like Sahih al-Bukhari or Sahih Muslim in particular and any of the 9 books of the " Al-Mu’jamul Mufahras li Alfadhil Hadithin Nabawi " ( 1. Sahih Bukhari, 2. Sahih Muslim, 3. Sunan Nasai, 4. Sunan Abi Dawud, 5. Sunan Tirmidhi, 6. Sunan Ibn Majah, 7. Muwatta Imam Malik, 8. Sunan Darimi, 9. Musnad Ahmad.) in general. Indeed, I've always wanted a PDF copy of at least one of those books original manuscripts esp from the Abbassid era (or at least from the early Ottoman era) as a source material of study but I've never found one, I'm sure they exist though. I think that a lot of Hadith book of the modern era are approved copies from whomever has their copyright so to speak. There is no doubt in my mind that a lot of the hadith (Including books like the so called "Sahih" al-Bukhari ) have been made up and/or forged throughout history and the ambitions of Islamic rulers. Also, I'm not a hadith specialist as I preferred to study "Fiqh" according to the four schools when I still was interested in all those religion stuff (I was agnostic at the time but curious to learn now I am just a non-believer Muslim).

    I would add that in Islam the cult of the prophet is a fact even if it's a heresy to say such a thing. Indeed, Muslim are supposed to love him more than anybody in the existence even more than their mother, father, children and even own self. It's difficult to love someone you don't know and who lived almost 1500 years ago with such devotion, only fanatics can convince themselves that that such thing is even possible. In fact such love for the prophet is a condition to the "believer" (faith) status (which is above the status of Muslim) according to this famous hadith.

    I mean, same goes for Jesus and other religious figure like Elvis Presley... Furthermore, Muslims are supposed to aspire to be as close to his sunnah as possible i.e pray like him, sleep like him, eat like him, drink like him, dress like him, walk like him etc... I mean if that's not a cult of personality I wonder what that is ! Also he had some conjugal privileges according to this verse of the Holly Quran ! May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him !!

    As for his type, I think EIE is a good fit.

    Last edited by godslave; 12-19-2023 at 02:20 AM. Reason: I forgot to mention point number "2)" !

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    Quote Originally Posted by godslave View Post
    In fact such love for the prophet is a condition to the "believer" (faith) status (which is above the status of Muslim) according to this famous hadith.
    This reminds how Jesus was perceived in later Christianity. Personal cult went up to "God's avatar" status and usage as an idol. Initial approach was as to a teacher, priest good developed in a faith. It was important to love and prey God, not a priest.

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