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    Does anyone know anything about identical twins and socionics type? Have you ever typed a set of identical twins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoodrat View Post
    Does anyone know anything about identical twins and socionics type? Have you ever typed a set of identical twins?
    Joy is a twin. I don't know if they're identical but they sure look alike from pictures.

    I don't think I know any identical twins IRL. I know quite a few fraternal sets of twins but that's irrelevant.

    Interesting question though.
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    Good question. I already typed one twin as an ESFp, but I'll type the other one when I see her. She seems more reserved and self-assured.

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    you could do a search, this has been discussed a few times on the forums.
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    joy is not a twin hellfire cannon

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    My mother is an identical twin. She is ISFj, and I think my aunt is an ISFj too, although I can't be 100&#37; sure.
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    The identical twins I've know (3 couples) were all the same socionics types very clearly (as pairs: they were not all six the same socionics type, only two by two)
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    I'm a twin (not identical) and I think my brother is a pretty clear INTj. I also knew two sets of identical twins. The first I didn't get very close to both of them. The one I had some contact with some sort of ExTx, but they superficially seemed to be pretty similar, but that really doesn't mean anything. My sister is currently dating one half of an identical pair. I haven't gotten to know him very well yet, but my first inclincation is that he's ISTx. Again, I don't know the other brother very well so maybe later on down the road I can comment on that.
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    yes, I met a pair of fraternal twins, not the same type at all. The girl was beta NF while the guy was gamma or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
    I'm a twin (not identical) and I think my brother is a pretty clear INTj. I also knew two sets of identical twins. The first I didn't get very close to both of them. The one I had some contact with some sort of ExTx, but they superficially seemed to be pretty similar, but that really doesn't mean anything. My sister is currently dating one half of an identical pair. I haven't gotten to know him very well yet, but my first inclincation is that he's ISTx. Again, I don't know the other brother very well so maybe later on down the road I can comment on that.
    My mom is an ISTp and her fraternal twin is an ENTj.

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    My roomie is an identical twin and he and his twin are definitely not the same type, lol. I would even go as far as to say that they're from conflicting quadras, despite getting along superbly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamangir View Post
    you're killing it woman.
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    I consider it condescending that you would even mention a PoLR hit.

    that is real mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamangir View Post
    I consider it condescending that you would even mention a PoLR hit.

    that is real mean.
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    You realize duals shouldn't fight?

    Except Hitler and Stalin, but that is a different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamangir View Post
    You realize duals shouldn't fight?

    Except Hitler and Stalin, but that is a different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamangir View Post
    You realize duals shouldn't fight?

    Except Hitler and Stalin, but that is a different story.
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    I made a thread about this a while back with pictures of different twins, but can't seem to find it, maybe it was on the other forum. There doesn't seem to be a connection between twins and type. For example the Olsen twins I believe are opposite quadras, Alpha and Gamma. Ashley Olsen is ESFp while Mary-Kate is probably an ISFp

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    this thread got really goofy really quick... lol

    I have some identical twin cousins.... I haven't seen them in a while, but i'm pretty sure one is extraverted while the other is introverted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    I made a thread about this a while back with pictures of different twins, but can't seem to find it, maybe it was on the other forum. There doesn't seem to be a connection between twins and type. For example the Olsen twins I believe are opposite quadras, Alpha and Gamma. Ashley Olsen is ESFp while Mary-Kate is probably an ISFp
    I'm quite sure I've read that they're fraternal twins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom View Post
    I'm quite sure I've read that they're fraternal twins.
    Hm you're right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    Hm you're right
    Though the issue of fraternal twins is interesting too. We don't know if genetics causes type, or womb conditions, or chance, or something else, or some combination. If womb conditions are part of the cause, then that's still an important thing to look at.
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    Yeah, I actually think the twins I was mentioning might be ISFj/ISFp. Unfortunately it's the ISFj twin that I live with. I had originally thought he was ENTj, but in retrospect, it's far more likely that he's ISFj.

    What's interesting is that they're ident twins, and they say that most people can't tell them apart visually, but I see a substantial difference between them. Harder when they're younger, but right now I would never confuse them.
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    I'm pretty positive I've met 2 sets of twins with pretty different personalities, while i've only met 1 pair (way back in 3rd grade) that acted the same, but, of course, they were pretty young.
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    Everyone realizes that type is genetic, but it is undoubtably for some difficult to admit.

    It's all sperm and egg variation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Everyone realizes that type is genetic, but it is undoubtably for some difficult to admit.

    It's all sperm and egg variation.
    Maybe part of it is. Brilliand suggested that the baby tried to become a duel of everyone around them. I haven't decided what I believe on this point, but I know it's got to be a combination of nature and nurture (but only in the first couple years of life.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Everyone realizes that type is genetic, but it is undoubtably for some difficult to admit.

    It's all sperm and egg variation.
    Why would everyone realize that and why would it have to be that way? Hormones, chance, tons of things could influence type.
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    In the case of identical twins I've heard that one twin is usually more bold and outgoing than the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom View Post
    Why would everyone realize that and why would it have to be that way? Hormones, chance, tons of things could influence type.
    Because in that case we would be capable of engineering type with behavioral conditioning and drug therapy. Have you ever heard of a drug that caused dissociative identity disorder, because DID is exactly what a change in type would entail. (but even that would not be a true type change with regard to the capability of the functions: you can use your PoLR as base, but I don't recommend it).

    Just remember that every time you embrace a "could" like that, you give some crazy scientist of the future one more avenue for contesting the pursuit of a real solution, and even worse, you might be opening the door for some really horrific research. Imagine someone being determined to create a typeless "supersoldier", and being so convinced of it being possible that they never stopped trying to do it. That is a scary possibility, because it's the type of thing oppressive governments might buy into. It might look like what the protagonists of 1984 were put through, or worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Because in that case we would be capable of engineering type with behavioral conditioning and drug therapy. Have you ever heard of a drug that caused dissociative identity disorder, because DID is exactly what a change in type would entail. (but even that would not be a true type change with regard to the capability of the functions: you can use your PoLR as base, but I don't recommend it).

    Just remember that every time you embrace a "could" like that, you give some crazy scientist of the future one more avenue for contesting the pursuit of a real solution, and even worse, you might be opening the door for some really horrific research. Imagine someone being determined to create a typeless "supersoldier", and being so convinced of it being possible that they never stopped trying to do it. That is a scary possibility, because it's the type of thing oppressive governments might buy into. It might look like what the protagonists of 1984 were put through, or worse.
    It sounds like you don't necessarily believe that it has to be genetic but you're afraid people will do terrible things if the possibility exists for it to not be genetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Because in that case we would be capable of engineering type with behavioral conditioning and drug therapy. Have you ever heard of a drug that caused dissociative identity disorder, because DID is exactly what a change in type would entail. (but even that would not be a true type change with regard to the capability of the functions: you can use your PoLR as base, but I don't recommend it).
    not necessarily, suppose for example your type is limited, but not uniquely determined, by genes. this still allows for other factors to play a role in determining type without also making it possible that conditioning/drugs could be used to turn someone into any arbitrary type (unless of course the conditioning/drugs affected the limiting factor, in this case the genes)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Because in that case we would be capable of engineering type with behavioral conditioning and drug therapy. Have you ever heard of a drug that caused dissociative identity disorder, because DID is exactly what a change in type would entail. (but even that would not be a true type change with regard to the capability of the functions: you can use your PoLR as base, but I don't recommend it).

    Just remember that every time you embrace a "could" like that, you give some crazy scientist of the future one more avenue for contesting the pursuit of a real solution, and even worse, you might be opening the door for some really horrific research. Imagine someone being determined to create a typeless "supersoldier", and being so convinced of it being possible that they never stopped trying to do it. That is a scary possibility, because it's the type of thing oppressive governments might buy into. It might look like what the protagonists of 1984 were put through, or worse.
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    Two identical twins must be the same type. To believe otherwise is to question everything we know about the types in general. If you can find two identical twins that are indisputably different socionic types, then you have falsified Socionics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    Two identical twins must be the same type. To believe otherwise is to question everything we know about the types in general. If you can find two identical twins that are indisputably different socionic types, then you have falsified Socionics.
    That's ridiculous, and you lack imagination. Not everything biological is controlled by genetics.
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    I actually somewhat agree with Phaedrus on the matter of identical twins being of the same type. Of course they will not act in exactly the same way, though - obviously, as not every person of a given type will act in exactly the same way of other people of that given type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom View Post
    That's ridiculous, and you lack imagination. Not everything biological is controlled by genetics.
    You are a complete idiot, Slacker Mom. Get lost in your sea of stupidity and ignorance.

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    I don't understand why the concept of randomness isn't an issue to either of you. There are things that happen in the world that are random. There's no way to know that it isn't completely random. There's no way to know that it isn't related to womb conditions (which would effect twins generally the same but each twin could have slightly different conditions), or fetal size, or the mother's hormones during fetal brain development, or genetics, or some combination. There's absolutely no way to know just what causes it and therefore I don't see the point in making assumptions that it has to be genetic, and not just that but 100% genetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    You are a complete idiot, Slacker Mom. Get lost in your sea of stupidity and ignorance.
    Interesting that I see you exactly that same way. You're stupid not to see that there could be various possibilities, and ignorant to the world and the fact that you are not its center.
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