"Everyone on this forum is beta"

[Lotus]

Everyone on this forum is beta, duh.

No Jessica, only 42.7% of people typed on Wikisocion are Beta, duh.

39.5% of people on that list have received Alpha typings (74 out of the 187 people have been typed Alpha at least once).
25.6% have Gamma ones.
33.1% have Delta ones.

Most users have multiple Quadra typings. UDP is the only forum member with all four.




But wow, 42.7% have gotten Beta typings. That is a relatively high number of Betas. Why is Beta the most common mistyping?

Hmmm, if people on the internet, people who never leave the house and have no clue what real human interaction is actually like, are the ones judging you based on random shit you choose to type for people who don't know you... I can see why Beta is a common typing! I mean, surely anyone who consumes alcohol and has a social life is Beta! Anyone with [internet] charisma or a sense of humor is Fe! Anyone who isn't a pussy in [internet] confrontation is totally Se, anyone who can pull of looking like they have any underlying understanding or insight into the essence of something [on the internet] is definitely Ni! Gee, no wonder everyone is pining to be a Beta. Look how cool their functions are.

Luckily we're members of a forum FULL OF BETAS!
For giggles, here's a list of who fits into each Quadra:

Alpha

1981slater
allie
anndelise
bee
bionicgoat
blaze
brilliand
carla
chibikeba
cracka
cyclops
dbmmama
dee
detail
dioklecian
discojoe
dmitri_lytov
dolphin
eldanen
elizabeth
elro
eunice
gilly
glamourama
heath
hitta
hkkmr
hugo
iconoclast_IX
ifmd95
jem
jimbean
jonathan
joy
jriddy
jxrtes
kamangir
labcoat
liveandletlive
logos
machintruc
mariano_rajoy
metaiwan
mike_intj
mn0good
ms_kensington
munenori2
mysticsonic
niffweed17
nivek
normal
oyburger
phaedrus
pitbull
polly_g
porntips
qwerty
science_as_magic
sfvb
slava
snowyc
steve
subterranean
suomea
taz
tcaudilllg
theblueblade
thehotelambush
themime
trey
udp
waddlesworth
xcaliburgirl
xuixui

Alpha/Beta

allie
anndelise
blaze
cracka
eunice
gilly
glamourama
hitta
jimbean
jriddy
kamangir
machintruc
mariano_rajoy
ms_kensington
mysticsonic
niffweed17
normal
phaedrus
tcaudilllg
udp

Alpha/Beta/Gamma

allie
niffweed17
phaedrus
udp

Alpha/Beta/Gamma/Delta

udp

Alpha/Beta/Delta

anndelise
eunice
normal
udp

Alpha/Gamma

allie
dioklecian
discojoe
ifmd95
jem
jonathan
joy
liveandletlive
munenori2
niffweed17
phaedrus
pitbull
udp

Alpha/Gamma/Delta

jem
munenori2
udp

Alpha/Delta

anndelise
bee
bionicgoat
cyclops
dee
elro
eunice
heath
jem
munenori2
normal
subterranean
udp

Beta

ajax
aka-kitsune
allie
anndelise
artemis
ashton
baby
blaze
bulletsanddoves
christy_b
cracka
drd252
dreamer
eidos
electric
eliphalet
esper
estp
eunice
ezra
fdg
flamereborn
garmonbozia
gilly
glamourama
herzy
hitta
implied
isha
jadae
jarno
jessica129
jimbean
jriddy
kamangir
khamelion
kioshi
krae
kristiina
lefty
leviathan
loki
lokivanguard
machintruc
mariano_rajoy
maze
mephisto
mercutio
misutii
mpiazza000
mr_maguoo
mr_saturn
ms_kensington
mustachio
mysticsonic
nerv_damage
niffweed17
normal
onetreehilluver
phaedrus
potatospirit
raisonpure
redbaron
rocky
scarlettlux
smccosker
smilingeyes
snegledmaca
sorc
starfall
strrrng
tcaudilllg
torchie
udp
vague
william_conly
winterpark
wittmont
xox
zenbrat

Beta/Gamma

allie
ashton
ezra
fdg
garmonbozia
implied
isha
khamelion
kristiina
mercutio
mr_saturn
niffweed17
phaedrus
raisonpure
scarlettlux
smilingeyes
udp
xox

Beta/Gamma/Delta

ezra
implied
mr_saturn
smiling eyes
udp
xox

Beta/Delta

anndelise
christy_b
eunice
ezra
implied
jessica129
kioshi
lokivanguard
mr_saturn
normal
rocky
smilingeyes
snegledmaca
udp
winterpark
xox

Gamma

allie
ashton
blauritson
cogsci
cone
coolguy89
crazedrat
diana
dioklecian
discojoe
emeye
expat
ezra
fdg
five
garmonbozia
hoodrat
hostage_child
ifmd95
implied
isha
jem
jonathan
joy
khamelion
kristiina
kspin
liveandletlive
mea
mercutio
mr_saturn
munenori2
niffweed17
nivek
olga
pezzonovante
phaedrus
pitbull
quirk_satellite_div
raisonpure
reyn_til_runa
sarah
scarlettlux
smilingeyes
steventj
udp
xox
zeia

Gamma/Delta

cone
diana
expat
ezra
implied
jem
mea
mr_saturn
munenori2
smilingeyes
udp
xox

Delta

anndelise
aut0
bee
bibliophile8
bionicgoat
christy_b
cone
curioussoul
cyclops
danielle
dee
diana
elro
enfperator
eunice
expat
ezra
fever
flower
force_my_hand
heath
hellothere
iannau
icepick
implied
jem
jessica129
jewels
juju
kim
kioshi
lokivanguard
mea
meatburger
mikemex
minde
mr_saturn
munenori2
neonmonk
normal
rick
ritella
rmcnew
rockclimber
rocky
ryene_astraelis
sabo
schroedingers_cat
sentineneve
sereno
slacker_mom
smilingeyes
snegledmaca
stefana
subterranean
tereg
tiny_dancer
topaz
traveler
udp
winterpark
xox

I don't have much to say about this really. I just find it funny how EVERYONE IS BETA.


And I hope I did my math right.

[Elro]

Wow.

[aestrivex]

beta is not the most common mistyping, it is the most common typing. and it is such for a reason.

[Lotus]

This is meaningless information. Disregard any notion you may have that I was trying to prove a point with this.

I swear.

beta is not the most common mistyping, it is the most common typing. and it is such for a reason.

This is an interesting statement. Why do you think Beta is the most common typing, Niffweed?

[UDP]

Most users have multiple Quadra typings. UDP is the only forum member with all four.

Where is my award?

[aestrivex]

furthermore, consider the quadra breakdown of ashton's typings. i think that the breakdown of my typings or of the "consensus" typings is far more equitable, even if somewhat short on deltas (which i think also basically makes sense).

[Lotus]

furthermore, consider the quadra breakdown of ashton's typings. i think that the breakdown of my typings or of the "consensus" typings is far more equitable, even if somewhat short on deltas (which i think also basically makes sense).

Ah, the breakdown of your typings is more equitable than Ashton's typings. That must mean yours are more right than his.

[aestrivex]

This is an interesting statement. Why do you think Beta is the most common typing, Niffweed?

short answer: the subject matter is somewhat pseudoscientific and tends to appeal to Ni + Ti mindsets. in my estimation, this has been demonstrated by mass by the kinds of people that tend to be attracted to being fully fledged members of this community; i think there are a plethora of IEIs and ILIs, with what seems like it could be a fairly extensible base of beta STs. even if you go by self-typings, this seems to hold true.

[aestrivex]

Ah, the breakdown of your typings is more equitable than Ashton's typings. That must mean yours are more right than his.

hardly, but it is rather telling of ashton's methods nonetheless.

[Lotus]

hardly, but it is rather telling of ashton's methods nonetheless.

Oh? What does it tell?



And lol @



UDP, since when is editing out the world "hell" Fi?

[Khola aka Bee]

Alpha/Delta my ass!!!

I'm Alpha/Beta....that was last week!

[Lotus]

Alpha/Delta my ass!!!

I'm Alpha/Beta....that was last week!

Bee, that list is of what people have typed you as. No one thinks you're Beta apparently.

[UDP]

Oh? What does it tell?



And lol @



UDP, since when is editing out the world "hell" Fi?

It's an inside joke.

[aestrivex]

Oh? What does it tell?

quite a lot about the nature of his forum politics, as well as a great deal of information about the trends that he uses to fabricate his typings.

[Lotus]

quite a lot about the nature of his forum politics

Like what?

as well as a great deal of information about the trends that he uses to fabricate his typings.

Such as?

[aestrivex]

Like what?

how many?

who is the president of mars?

Such as?

any more questions?

[Lotus]

how many?

who is the president of mars?



any more questions?

Lovely.



I'm always expecting people's statements to have a logical foundation to support them. I never learn

[Lotus]

Oh, sorry about this thread. I think I took too much vyvanse = hyperfocus on stupid shit you don't realize is pointless until its over. that sucked

around here, most people aren't typed Beta for positive reasons. it's honestly tough to watch people around here are typed as Beta because of these negative (or the negative side of) these reasons:

- loud and annoying
- confrontational
- shallow
- status conscious
- power fixation (?)
- ignoring reality
- don't care about the individual
- close-minded
- mean/cruel/insulting/offensive
- manipulative
- dramatic
- controversial

not that I don't understand why my quadra is this way and/or comes across this way.

So I've noticed

It's really annoying me. I don't understand why behavior like that is automatically "Beta" ugh

[implied]

around here, most people aren't typed Beta for positive reasons. it's honestly tough to watch people around here are typed as Beta because of these negative (or the negative side of) these reasons:

- loud and annoying
- confrontational
- shallow
- status conscious
- power fixation (?)
- ignoring reality
- don't care about the individual
- close-minded
- mean/cruel/insulting/offensive
- manipulative
- dramatic
- controversial

not that I don't understand why my quadra is this way and/or comes across this way.

fwiw, i type you as beta and i don't think i find you to be any of these things at all.

[aestrivex]

I think it has less to do with the pseudoscientific nature (per se) and more to do with the subject matter itself. (It may be pseudoscientific, because of inherent limitations of said subject matter.)

yeah, i wasn't trying to say that the pseudoscience part is attractive to betas. but sort of the aspect of philosophizing and making much ado about poorly supported ideas (Ni + Fe + poor Te, a la EIE prophets) does seem beta-ish.

[Expat]

around here, most people aren't typed Beta for positive reasons. it's honestly tough to watch people around here are typed as Beta because of these negative (or the negative side of) these reasons:

- loud and annoying
- confrontational
- shallow
- status conscious
- power fixation (?)
- ignoring reality
- don't care about the individual
- close-minded
- mean/cruel/insulting/offensive
- manipulative
- dramatic
- controversial

not that I don't understand why my quadra is this way and/or comes across this way.

It's really annoying me. I don't understand why behavior like that is automatically "Beta" ugh

Well, "shallow", "close-minded", "annoying" and a couple of others are in the eyes of the beholder. Any person can be seen as such by others, for different reasons.

However, "loud", "confrontational", "status conscious", "power fixation", "ignoring reality" can more accurately be attributed to IM elements associated to Beta; of course, even that can be an inaccurate judgement.

But something for some people to consider. A few people like to see Jung's description of Introverted Intuition as the "true" description of Ni. Yet, that description is all about "ignoring reality". In an interview, when asked for an example of an Introverted Intuitive, Jung himself mentioned a woman who told him, "oh doctor, I have a snake in my stomach". So, I don't understand why there should be a surprise that Ni is associated (rightly or wrongly) with "ignoring reality".

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

I act much more serious and subdued in real life than I do online. I feel the internet should be entertaining, and you should flare things up to look sexy. It's just a personal value of mine.

However, I've find that most people aren't like this. Most people act the same way in real life as they do online. The problem is, I don't see many people's quirks on a message board- which is why it's so difficult to type them. Their videos help tremendously. I might make one soon myself. You'd probably go "Whoa! I wasn't expecting anything like that" if you actually saw a video of me. Maybe not. I'm just saying, you are exactly right- my internet balls are bigger than my real-life balls though I've met a few people in real life that I met online and that isn't really true of all of us.

Look at dolphin's vids and then her posts. She come across as sweet and funny and good-natured (but also smart) and that's also what you get from her posts.

The problem is just more pure abstract and psychobabble and not enough home-down gritty stories about life (which I try to share from time to time), which I have no idea why people don't share more of. It does make you wonder, if they've ever had anything raw in their lives.... but lol only God can judge. =p This whole socionics lifestyle (and yes, whether you like it or not we're all part of the socionics lifestyle, don't try to act like you're above it, even if you make fun of it we've all drunk the socionics kool-aid in one form or another) is based on a construct though. It doesn't have enough pure spit, cum, blood and tears.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

So, I don't understand why there should be a surprise that Ni is associated (rightly or wrongly) with "ignoring reality".

Too many people have a 'just do it' approach to life and while the nitty gritty experiences are important, we're all still going to have our own perceptions and opinions of things, which to me is more interesting. What can I say, I'd rather read and use my imagination than go out and test my own beliefs, and so do many, many people. However, they change 'facts & statistics' so much I don't know what to believe anymore from supposedly experts, who seem to be just caught up in their head as much as us. I've only met very few communities that actually seemed to 'live' in the full sense of the word.

When someone is describing their life and their views, I'd prefer they use enough concrete details as possible so I can understand where they're coming from. However, I also want to view their abstract, personal... fluid "spiritual" view on the situation too, otherwise you lose the humanity from the piece.

I'm fine with Ni as "ignoring reality" because well, I do that a lot... I always have. What's so bad about it? Reality is reality, but perceptions of reality are the stuff that is actually interesting. I have a place in the real world (a normal, happily adjusted place where I don't call attention to myself), but flaring things up to entertain and liven up humanity- nothing wrong with that, as I don't think I'm doing anything to exploit people. Maybe people with weak Ni would disagree, though I don't know. Talking to my ESE mother is frustrating as she doesn't understand the theory behind the practice, and that's why it's hard for her to achieve things. I can't understand the practice behind the theory- and that's what gives me trouble.

[Expat]

I'm fine with Ni being described that way; I've described my Ni as such before. what I'm talking about is the more Phaedrus (mostly typed as Beta Introvert) or tcaudilllg (commonly typed as Beta Rational now?) style of "ignoring reality."

Well I have said elsewhere that the Ni+Fe combination (or Ni+Ti, it's the same thing) is the most prone to be "visionary", which may be both a good and bad thing. So, those examples you mentioned might be extreme, "bad" styles.

The general American public seems to think that BO's style - as in "the audacity of hope" and "yes we can" and "change" etc - is one of the good ones.

[xyz]

heh, allie, you REALLY spent too much time on this.

furthermore, consider the quadra breakdown of ashton's typings. i think that the breakdown of my typings or of the "consensus" typings is far more equitable, even if somewhat short on deltas (which i think also basically makes sense).

Oh shut the fuck up dude, seriously. You mean to say your typings or the "consensus" list is the only one that really matters?

Whatever the damn reason for the Beta typings, I think Allie does have a point, and that is that people with incredibly small amounts of human interaction to type a whole quadra/sets of people who they've never met is pretty fucking laughable.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Not A Communist Shill]

Oh shut the fuck up dude, seriously. You mean to say your typings or the "consensus" list is the only one that really matters?

I think that niffweed's point was that the typings of Ashton and his followers distorts the figures.

[Lotus]

around here, most people aren't typed Beta for positive reasons. it's honestly tough to watch people around here are typed as Beta because of these negative (or the negative side of) these reasons:

- loud and annoying
- confrontational
- shallow
- status conscious
- power fixation (?)
- ignoring reality
- don't care about the individual
- close-minded
- mean/cruel/insulting/offensive
- manipulative
- dramatic
- controversial

not that I don't understand why my quadra is this way and/or comes across this way.

It's really annoying me. I don't understand why behavior like that is automatically "Beta" ugh

"loud", "confrontational", "status conscious", "power fixation", "ignoring reality" can more accurately be attributed to IM elements associated to Beta; of course, even that can be an inaccurate judgement.

Yes, you're right about how those behaviors/traits can be attributed to IM elements associated to Beta. My point was that I feel it is a flawed and inaccurate means of making judgments about someone's type. And also that the reasoning behind the majority of Beta typings recently have been groundless and assumption-based.



For instance, I've been typed as Beta NF a lot lately. I have yet to hear anything justifying these typings that I feel is actually function-related.

Well, "shallow", "close-minded", "annoying" and a couple of others are in the eyes of the beholder. Any person can be seen as such by others, for different reasons.

I've heard subjective observations, both positive and [mostly] negative ones used as arguments. Things such as "manipulative" in reference to something I apparently did [that I'm not even aware of], "close-minded" by someone who has no idea what I think [only what I choose to express], "controversial", "offensive", and pretty much everything on Glam's list except "shallow" and "status conscious" [though it just may have not been brought to my attention yet ]. Or even that I exude a "Beta vibe" or something. I'm because I'm oblivious to things that go on around me if they're not interesting, I'm because I like people, because I smile and laugh a lot. I value because I like people to be direct, I respect confrontation, I value because I need things to be explained logically in relation to other things or w/e before I understand them. I'm PoLR because I'm stupid, etc., etc.

Sorry, this thread is NOT about my frustration with my type. It's not about anything specific to be quite honest. The Beta typings are interesting and something that I felt like pointing out, but I also found it interesting which people have multiple/diverse typings in relation to those that don't. I thought it was interesting that the people in the over-lapping Quadras lists sometimes have similar "vibes" and other things. I'm not saying this information means anything, just that it raised questions for me and made me want to look into it more. That's all.

heh, allie, you REALLY spent too much time on this.

Trust me, I know.

[Wynch]

Look at dolphin's vids and then her posts. She come across as sweet and funny and good-natured (but also smart) and that's also what you get from her posts.

Are we talking about the same dolphin? That chick has so much spunk, lol. She's never come across as sweet and good-natured in her posts to me. She shoots from the hip and it's awesome. I have major <3 for dolphin. At the core she's a genuinely good person who shows genuine concern and understanding for the people she cares about, but all of that is wrapped in a package that doesn't take any crap. I love it. I was surprised to hear her voice for the first time because she's so soft-spoken, and soothing.

The problem is just more pure abstract and psychobabble and not enough home-down gritty stories about life (which I try to share from time to time), which I have no idea why people don't share more of. It does make you wonder, if they've ever had anything raw in their lives.... but lol only God can judge. =p This whole socionics lifestyle (and yes, whether you like it or not we're all part of the socionics lifestyle, don't try to act like you're above it, even if you make fun of it we've all drunk the socionics kool-aid in one form or another) is based on a construct though. It doesn't have enough pure spit, cum, blood and tears.

Welcome to the realm of the logical, lol. I don't want to hear your story when I'm busy analyzing the theoretical foundation of this system.

That and there are plenty of people who don't like to air their gritty life stories on a public forum for everyone's consumption because that touches on a level of intimacy that is uncomfortable for them.

[Mediator Kam]

I'll say it again. i want dolphin's voice in a box.

[jessica129]

Where is her video? I think i briefly remember seeing her but if it's in that massive 16types video thread, i can't bare to search thru it all.

[Satan]

Let's all have a round of applause for Ally.

[UDP]

Let's all have a round of applause for Ally.

Let's have an award for UDP

[Mediator Kam]

i'm beginning to like this forum again.

1. UDP deserves The Award™
2. I am going to party tomorrow.

Fi-like.

[Mediator Kam]

wait wtf 67 posts on dolphin?

DOLPHIN TEACH ME HOW TO REWIND TIME YET HOLD MY CORPOREAL FORM IN THE PRESENT.

[aestrivex]

I'm beginning to hate this forum. There's been no controversy whatsover on my fuckin' type. I'm unanimously ISFp. How boring is that. I wish I could be 16 types at once! Then I could command power. Confusion. Chaos.

you're EII.

[UDP]

I'm beginning to hate this forum. There's been no controversy whatsover on my fuckin' type. I'm unanimously ISFp. How boring is that. I wish I could be 16 types at once! Then I could command power. Confusion. Chaos.

After the first 5 threads of other people informing you of their thoughts of your type, the bitching and casing gets redundant.
After 10, the forum seems generally unenjoyable.

Pretty soon, every post is indicating one thing. Then 2 months later, your new, present posts are indicating something else. And people never bother to argue their own arguments, just throw stuff up against what you think. And if you can't explain yourself it in their exact language at the time, you "lose" in their eyes. It becomes your fault, your own incompetency. And when you show anger or frustration, that's Se. You're called LSI if people feel like you're not listening to them. You're called LII if people basically want to call you a pansy. You're called INFp if you seem emo. And your Ni valuing if you talk about spirituality.

Also, at any given moment, posts from 6 months or 18 months or more can be pulled and used as evidence for this or that. It's actually quite fascinating the lengths some people will go, reading through things you've written, to come up and present an argument. I seem to have a knack for causing people to do that.

And, what's more, the people who proclaim knowing you will not actually converse with you, or pm you about your type, or contact you in any way. That's basically how you know someone is just trying to promote themselves over you, rather than come to any understanding through interaction with you.

Most people that proclaim types do so because they want to be right about something. So after a while, the barrage of people trying to "win" something over you makes the forum seem rather empty.


I say shoot for 3 or 4 if you're in want of some action.
After a while you've heard every possible argument from people (which is already stale because you've considered it before someone else brought it up), and it turns into some sort of arbitrary opinion-proofing process.

Just be careful what you wish for.

[UDP]

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ad.php?t=20677

That's very kind of you.

[Lotus]

After the first 5 threads of other people informing you of their thoughts of your type, the bitching and casing gets redundant.
After 10, the forum seems generally unenjoyable.

Pretty soon, every post is indicating one thing. Then 2 months later, your new, present posts are indicating something else. And people never bother to argue their own arguments, just throw stuff up against what you think. And if you can't explain yourself it in their exact language at the time, you "lose" in their eyes. It becomes your fault, your own incompetency. And when you show anger or frustration, that's Se. You're called LSI if people feel like you're not listening to them. You're called LII if people basically want to call you a pansy. You're called INFp if you seem emo. And your Ni valuing if you talk about spirituality.

Also, at any given moment, posts from 6 months or 18 months or more can be pulled and used as evidence for this or that. It's actually quite fascinating the lengths some people will go, reading through things you've written, to come up and present an argument. I seem to have a knack for causing people to do that.

And, what's more, the people who proclaim knowing you will not actually converse with you, or pm you about your type, or contact you in any way. That's basically how you know someone is just trying to promote themselves over you, rather than come to any understanding through interaction with you.

Most people that proclaim types do so because they want to be right about something. So after a while, the barrage of people trying to "win" something over you makes the forum seem rather empty.


I say shoot for 3 or 4 if you're in want of some action.
After a while you've heard every possible argument from people (which is already stale because you've considered it before someone else brought it up), and it turns into some sort of arbitrary opinion-proofing process.

Just be careful what you wish for.

Good post, UDP. I actually agree.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

My pathetic attempt at trying to sound all 'cool' and russian like:

It would ze appear that ze 'dolphin' has what is known as 'astralvillayckieisghskl;sdfjasomgthisshitissogay' , sweet-lovable always wanting... same, but reversed language- quiet, same ideals, yet her own self do all work... extroinversoscillate. Music love, need writing. Want man open true doors to sexual love & intimacy, show true nature of that which is inner, but outer- to show light. Itself is outer-inner, dual with inner-outer. Both against darkness.

Moon princess tribe, is specimen 'dolphin's true home, lisa frank novels ... glitterly glowy crayons but a lonely suburban childhood that she wants, same. Love. MERCURY BUTT BUBBLES..... BLAAAAAAAAAAST! Value intense extroversion of feelings but only when they coincide with own internal value structure. Fluid, watery reflections, that is why specimen accept realm of "Homosexuality." Magnetavilichiy, the power of, opposites attract with magnets. But wateralichiva just wants more water. Wateralichiva ignores polarities and dichotomies of Magnetavilichiy. Put out conflicts of fire.

Processing type... processing type...

YOUR TYPE IS....

IEI.