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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    Everyone on this forum is beta, duh.
    No Jessica, only 42.7% of people typed on Wikisocion are Beta, duh.

    39.5% of people on that list have received Alpha typings (74 out of the 187 people have been typed Alpha at least once).
    25.6% have Gamma ones.
    33.1% have Delta ones.

    Most users have multiple Quadra typings. UDP is the only forum member with all four.




    But wow, 42.7% have gotten Beta typings. That is a relatively high number of Betas. Why is Beta the most common mistyping?

    Hmmm, if people on the internet, people who never leave the house and have no clue what real human interaction is actually like, are the ones judging you based on random shit you choose to type for people who don't know you... I can see why Beta is a common typing! I mean, surely anyone who consumes alcohol and has a social life is Beta! Anyone with [internet] charisma or a sense of humor is Fe! Anyone who isn't a pussy in [internet] confrontation is totally Se, anyone who can pull of looking like they have any underlying understanding or insight into the essence of something [on the internet] is definitely Ni! Gee, no wonder everyone is pining to be a Beta. Look how cool their functions are.

    Luckily we're members of a forum FULL OF BETAS!
    For giggles, here's a list of who fits into each Quadra:

    Alpha

    1981slater
    allie
    anndelise
    bee
    bionicgoat
    blaze
    brilliand
    carla
    chibikeba
    cracka
    cyclops
    dbmmama
    dee
    detail
    dioklecian
    discojoe
    dmitri_lytov
    dolphin
    eldanen
    elizabeth
    elro
    eunice
    gilly
    glamourama
    heath
    hitta
    hkkmr
    hugo
    iconoclast_IX
    ifmd95
    jem
    jimbean
    jonathan
    joy
    jriddy
    jxrtes
    kamangir
    labcoat
    liveandletlive
    logos
    machintruc
    mariano_rajoy
    metaiwan
    mike_intj
    mn0good
    ms_kensington
    munenori2
    mysticsonic
    niffweed17
    nivek
    normal
    oyburger
    phaedrus
    pitbull
    polly_g
    porntips
    qwerty
    science_as_magic
    sfvb
    slava
    snowyc
    steve
    subterranean
    suomea
    taz
    tcaudilllg
    theblueblade
    thehotelambush
    themime
    trey
    udp
    waddlesworth
    xcaliburgirl
    xuixui
    Alpha/Beta

    allie
    anndelise
    blaze
    cracka
    eunice
    gilly
    glamourama
    hitta
    jimbean
    jriddy
    kamangir
    machintruc
    mariano_rajoy
    ms_kensington
    mysticsonic
    niffweed17
    normal
    phaedrus
    tcaudilllg
    udp
    Alpha/Beta/Gamma

    allie
    niffweed17
    phaedrus
    udp
    Alpha/Beta/Gamma/Delta

    udp

    Alpha/Beta/Delta

    anndelise
    eunice
    normal
    udp
    Alpha/Gamma

    allie
    dioklecian
    discojoe
    ifmd95
    jem
    jonathan
    joy
    liveandletlive
    munenori2
    niffweed17
    phaedrus
    pitbull
    udp
    Alpha/Gamma/Delta

    jem
    munenori2
    udp
    Alpha/Delta

    anndelise
    bee
    bionicgoat
    cyclops
    dee
    elro
    eunice
    heath
    jem
    munenori2
    normal
    subterranean
    udp
    Beta

    ajax
    aka-kitsune
    allie
    anndelise
    artemis
    ashton
    baby
    blaze
    bulletsanddoves
    christy_b
    cracka
    drd252
    dreamer
    eidos
    electric
    eliphalet
    esper
    estp
    eunice
    ezra
    fdg
    flamereborn
    garmonbozia
    gilly
    glamourama
    herzy
    hitta
    implied
    isha
    jadae
    jarno
    jessica129
    jimbean
    jriddy
    kamangir
    khamelion
    kioshi
    krae
    kristiina
    lefty
    leviathan
    loki
    lokivanguard
    machintruc
    mariano_rajoy
    maze
    mephisto
    mercutio
    misutii
    mpiazza000
    mr_maguoo
    mr_saturn
    ms_kensington
    mustachio
    mysticsonic
    nerv_damage
    niffweed17
    normal
    onetreehilluver
    phaedrus
    potatospirit
    raisonpure
    redbaron
    rocky
    scarlettlux
    smccosker
    smilingeyes
    snegledmaca
    sorc
    starfall
    strrrng
    tcaudilllg
    torchie
    udp
    vague
    william_conly
    winterpark
    wittmont
    xox
    zenbrat
    Beta/Gamma

    allie
    ashton
    ezra
    fdg
    garmonbozia
    implied
    isha
    khamelion
    kristiina
    mercutio
    mr_saturn
    niffweed17
    phaedrus
    raisonpure
    scarlettlux
    smilingeyes
    udp
    xox
    Beta/Gamma/Delta

    ezra
    implied
    mr_saturn
    smiling eyes
    udp
    xox
    Beta/Delta

    anndelise
    christy_b
    eunice
    ezra
    implied
    jessica129
    kioshi
    lokivanguard
    mr_saturn
    normal
    rocky
    smilingeyes
    snegledmaca
    udp
    winterpark
    xox
    Gamma

    allie
    ashton
    blauritson
    cogsci
    cone
    coolguy89
    crazedrat
    diana
    dioklecian
    discojoe
    emeye
    expat
    ezra
    fdg
    five
    garmonbozia
    hoodrat
    hostage_child
    ifmd95
    implied
    isha
    jem
    jonathan
    joy
    khamelion
    kristiina
    kspin
    liveandletlive
    mea
    mercutio
    mr_saturn
    munenori2
    niffweed17
    nivek
    olga
    pezzonovante
    phaedrus
    pitbull
    quirk_satellite_div
    raisonpure
    reyn_til_runa
    sarah
    scarlettlux
    smilingeyes
    steventj
    udp
    xox
    zeia
    Gamma/Delta

    cone
    diana
    expat
    ezra
    implied
    jem
    mea
    mr_saturn
    munenori2
    smilingeyes
    udp
    xox
    Delta

    anndelise
    aut0
    bee
    bibliophile8
    bionicgoat
    christy_b
    cone
    curioussoul
    cyclops
    danielle
    dee
    diana
    elro
    enfperator
    eunice
    expat
    ezra
    fever
    flower
    force_my_hand
    heath
    hellothere
    iannau
    icepick
    implied
    jem
    jessica129
    jewels
    juju
    kim
    kioshi
    lokivanguard
    mea
    meatburger
    mikemex
    minde
    mr_saturn
    munenori2
    neonmonk
    normal
    rick
    ritella
    rmcnew
    rockclimber
    rocky
    ryene_astraelis
    sabo
    schroedingers_cat
    sentineneve
    sereno
    slacker_mom
    smilingeyes
    snegledmaca
    stefana
    subterranean
    tereg
    tiny_dancer
    topaz
    traveler
    udp
    winterpark
    xox


    I don't have much to say about this really. I just find it funny how EVERYONE IS BETA.


    And I hope I did my math right.
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

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    Wow.
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    beta is not the most common mistyping, it is the most common typing. and it is such for a reason.

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    This is meaningless information. Disregard any notion you may have that I was trying to prove a point with this.

    I swear.

    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    beta is not the most common mistyping, it is the most common typing. and it is such for a reason.
    This is an interesting statement. Why do you think Beta is the most common typing, Niffweed?
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    Most users have multiple Quadra typings. UDP is the only forum member with all four.

    Where is my award?
    Last edited by UDP; 08-12-2008 at 02:42 AM. Reason: ~fi~
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    furthermore, consider the quadra breakdown of ashton's typings. i think that the breakdown of my typings or of the "consensus" typings is far more equitable, even if somewhat short on deltas (which i think also basically makes sense).

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    furthermore, consider the quadra breakdown of ashton's typings. i think that the breakdown of my typings or of the "consensus" typings is far more equitable, even if somewhat short on deltas (which i think also basically makes sense).
    Ah, the breakdown of your typings is more equitable than Ashton's typings. That must mean yours are more right than his.
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    This is an interesting statement. Why do you think Beta is the most common typing, Niffweed?
    short answer: the subject matter is somewhat pseudoscientific and tends to appeal to Ni + Ti mindsets. in my estimation, this has been demonstrated by mass by the kinds of people that tend to be attracted to being fully fledged members of this community; i think there are a plethora of IEIs and ILIs, with what seems like it could be a fairly extensible base of beta STs. even if you go by self-typings, this seems to hold true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    Ah, the breakdown of your typings is more equitable than Ashton's typings. That must mean yours are more right than his.
    hardly, but it is rather telling of ashton's methods nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    hardly, but it is rather telling of ashton's methods nonetheless.
    Oh? What does it tell?



    And lol @



    UDP, since when is editing out the world "hell" Fi?
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    Alpha/Delta my ass!!!

    I'm Alpha/Beta....that was last week!
    Hello, my name is Bee. Pleased to meet you .



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    Quote Originally Posted by bee View Post
    Alpha/Delta my ass!!!

    I'm Alpha/Beta....that was last week!
    Bee, that list is of what people have typed you as. No one thinks you're Beta apparently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    Oh? What does it tell?



    And lol @



    UDP, since when is editing out the world "hell" Fi?
    It's an inside joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    Oh? What does it tell?
    quite a lot about the nature of his forum politics, as well as a great deal of information about the trends that he uses to fabricate his typings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    quite a lot about the nature of his forum politics
    Like what?

    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    as well as a great deal of information about the trends that he uses to fabricate his typings.
    Such as?
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    Like what?
    how many?

    who is the president of mars?

    Such as?
    any more questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    how many?

    who is the president of mars?



    any more questions?
    Lovely.



    I'm always expecting people's statements to have a logical foundation to support them. I never learn
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    Oh, sorry about this thread. I think I took too much vyvanse = hyperfocus on stupid shit you don't realize is pointless until its over. that sucked



    Quote Originally Posted by glamourama View Post
    around here, most people aren't typed Beta for positive reasons. it's honestly tough to watch people around here are typed as Beta because of these negative (or the negative side of) these reasons:

    - loud and annoying
    - confrontational
    - shallow
    - status conscious
    - power fixation (?)
    - ignoring reality
    - don't care about the individual
    - close-minded
    - mean/cruel/insulting/offensive
    - manipulative
    - dramatic
    - controversial

    not that I don't understand why my quadra is this way and/or comes across this way.
    So I've noticed

    It's really annoying me. I don't understand why behavior like that is automatically "Beta" ugh
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    Quote Originally Posted by glamourama View Post
    around here, most people aren't typed Beta for positive reasons. it's honestly tough to watch people around here are typed as Beta because of these negative (or the negative side of) these reasons:

    - loud and annoying
    - confrontational
    - shallow
    - status conscious
    - power fixation (?)
    - ignoring reality
    - don't care about the individual
    - close-minded
    - mean/cruel/insulting/offensive
    - manipulative
    - dramatic
    - controversial

    not that I don't understand why my quadra is this way and/or comes across this way.

    fwiw, i type you as beta and i don't think i find you to be any of these things at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    I think it has less to do with the pseudoscientific nature (per se) and more to do with the subject matter itself. (It may be pseudoscientific, because of inherent limitations of said subject matter.)
    yeah, i wasn't trying to say that the pseudoscience part is attractive to betas. but sort of the aspect of philosophizing and making much ado about poorly supported ideas (Ni + Fe + poor Te, a la EIE prophets) does seem beta-ish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glamourama View Post
    around here, most people aren't typed Beta for positive reasons. it's honestly tough to watch people around here are typed as Beta because of these negative (or the negative side of) these reasons:

    - loud and annoying
    - confrontational
    - shallow
    - status conscious
    - power fixation (?)
    - ignoring reality
    - don't care about the individual
    - close-minded
    - mean/cruel/insulting/offensive
    - manipulative
    - dramatic
    - controversial

    not that I don't understand why my quadra is this way and/or comes across this way.
    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    It's really annoying me. I don't understand why behavior like that is automatically "Beta" ugh
    Well, "shallow", "close-minded", "annoying" and a couple of others are in the eyes of the beholder. Any person can be seen as such by others, for different reasons.

    However, "loud", "confrontational", "status conscious", "power fixation", "ignoring reality" can more accurately be attributed to IM elements associated to Beta; of course, even that can be an inaccurate judgement.

    But something for some people to consider. A few people like to see Jung's description of Introverted Intuition as the "true" description of Ni. Yet, that description is all about "ignoring reality". In an interview, when asked for an example of an Introverted Intuitive, Jung himself mentioned a woman who told him, "oh doctor, I have a snake in my stomach". So, I don't understand why there should be a surprise that Ni is associated (rightly or wrongly) with "ignoring reality".
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    I act much more serious and subdued in real life than I do online. I feel the internet should be entertaining, and you should flare things up to look sexy. It's just a personal value of mine.

    However, I've find that most people aren't like this. Most people act the same way in real life as they do online. The problem is, I don't see many people's quirks on a message board- which is why it's so difficult to type them. Their videos help tremendously. I might make one soon myself. You'd probably go "Whoa! I wasn't expecting anything like that" if you actually saw a video of me. Maybe not. I'm just saying, you are exactly right- my internet balls are bigger than my real-life balls though I've met a few people in real life that I met online and that isn't really true of all of us.

    Look at dolphin's vids and then her posts. She come across as sweet and funny and good-natured (but also smart) and that's also what you get from her posts.

    The problem is just more pure abstract and psychobabble and not enough home-down gritty stories about life (which I try to share from time to time), which I have no idea why people don't share more of. It does make you wonder, if they've ever had anything raw in their lives.... but lol only God can judge. =p This whole socionics lifestyle (and yes, whether you like it or not we're all part of the socionics lifestyle, don't try to act like you're above it, even if you make fun of it we've all drunk the socionics kool-aid in one form or another) is based on a construct though. It doesn't have enough pure spit, cum, blood and tears.

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    So, I don't understand why there should be a surprise that Ni is associated (rightly or wrongly) with "ignoring reality".
    Too many people have a 'just do it' approach to life and while the nitty gritty experiences are important, we're all still going to have our own perceptions and opinions of things, which to me is more interesting. What can I say, I'd rather read and use my imagination than go out and test my own beliefs, and so do many, many people. However, they change 'facts & statistics' so much I don't know what to believe anymore from supposedly experts, who seem to be just caught up in their head as much as us. I've only met very few communities that actually seemed to 'live' in the full sense of the word.

    When someone is describing their life and their views, I'd prefer they use enough concrete details as possible so I can understand where they're coming from. However, I also want to view their abstract, personal... fluid "spiritual" view on the situation too, otherwise you lose the humanity from the piece.

    I'm fine with Ni as "ignoring reality" because well, I do that a lot... I always have. What's so bad about it? Reality is reality, but perceptions of reality are the stuff that is actually interesting. I have a place in the real world (a normal, happily adjusted place where I don't call attention to myself), but flaring things up to entertain and liven up humanity- nothing wrong with that, as I don't think I'm doing anything to exploit people. Maybe people with weak Ni would disagree, though I don't know. Talking to my ESE mother is frustrating as she doesn't understand the theory behind the practice, and that's why it's hard for her to achieve things. I can't understand the practice behind the theory- and that's what gives me trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glamourama View Post
    I'm fine with Ni being described that way; I've described my Ni as such before. what I'm talking about is the more Phaedrus (mostly typed as Beta Introvert) or tcaudilllg (commonly typed as Beta Rational now?) style of "ignoring reality."
    Well I have said elsewhere that the Ni+Fe combination (or Ni+Ti, it's the same thing) is the most prone to be "visionary", which may be both a good and bad thing. So, those examples you mentioned might be extreme, "bad" styles.

    The general American public seems to think that BO's style - as in "the audacity of hope" and "yes we can" and "change" etc - is one of the good ones.
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    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    heh, allie, you REALLY spent too much time on this.


    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    furthermore, consider the quadra breakdown of ashton's typings. i think that the breakdown of my typings or of the "consensus" typings is far more equitable, even if somewhat short on deltas (which i think also basically makes sense).
    Oh shut the fuck up dude, seriously. You mean to say your typings or the "consensus" list is the only one that really matters?

    Whatever the damn reason for the Beta typings, I think Allie does have a point, and that is that people with incredibly small amounts of human interaction to type a whole quadra/sets of people who they've never met is pretty fucking laughable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LokiVanguard View Post
    Oh shut the fuck up dude, seriously. You mean to say your typings or the "consensus" list is the only one that really matters?
    I think that niffweed's point was that the typings of Ashton and his followers distorts the figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by glamourama View Post
    around here, most people aren't typed Beta for positive reasons. it's honestly tough to watch people around here are typed as Beta because of these negative (or the negative side of) these reasons:

    - loud and annoying
    - confrontational
    - shallow
    - status conscious
    - power fixation (?)
    - ignoring reality
    - don't care about the individual
    - close-minded
    - mean/cruel/insulting/offensive
    - manipulative
    - dramatic
    - controversial

    not that I don't understand why my quadra is this way and/or comes across this way.
    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    It's really annoying me. I don't understand why behavior like that is automatically "Beta" ugh
    "loud", "confrontational", "status conscious", "power fixation", "ignoring reality" can more accurately be attributed to IM elements associated to Beta; of course, even that can be an inaccurate judgement.
    Yes, you're right about how those behaviors/traits can be attributed to IM elements associated to Beta. My point was that I feel it is a flawed and inaccurate means of making judgments about someone's type. And also that the reasoning behind the majority of Beta typings recently have been groundless and assumption-based.



    For instance, I've been typed as Beta NF a lot lately. I have yet to hear anything justifying these typings that I feel is actually function-related.

    Well, "shallow", "close-minded", "annoying" and a couple of others are in the eyes of the beholder. Any person can be seen as such by others, for different reasons.
    I've heard subjective observations, both positive and [mostly] negative ones used as arguments. Things such as "manipulative" in reference to something I apparently did [that I'm not even aware of], "close-minded" by someone who has no idea what I think [only what I choose to express], "controversial", "offensive", and pretty much everything on Glam's list except "shallow" and "status conscious" [though it just may have not been brought to my attention yet ]. Or even that I exude a "Beta vibe" or something. I'm because I'm oblivious to things that go on around me if they're not interesting, I'm because I like people, because I smile and laugh a lot. I value because I like people to be direct, I respect confrontation, I value because I need things to be explained logically in relation to other things or w/e before I understand them. I'm PoLR because I'm stupid, etc., etc.

    Sorry, this thread is NOT about my frustration with my type. It's not about anything specific to be quite honest. The Beta typings are interesting and something that I felt like pointing out, but I also found it interesting which people have multiple/diverse typings in relation to those that don't. I thought it was interesting that the people in the over-lapping Quadras lists sometimes have similar "vibes" and other things. I'm not saying this information means anything, just that it raised questions for me and made me want to look into it more. That's all.


    Quote Originally Posted by LokiVanguard View Post
    heh, allie, you REALLY spent too much time on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Look at dolphin's vids and then her posts. She come across as sweet and funny and good-natured (but also smart) and that's also what you get from her posts.
    Are we talking about the same dolphin? That chick has so much spunk, lol. She's never come across as sweet and good-natured in her posts to me. She shoots from the hip and it's awesome. I have major <3 for dolphin. At the core she's a genuinely good person who shows genuine concern and understanding for the people she cares about, but all of that is wrapped in a package that doesn't take any crap. I love it. I was surprised to hear her voice for the first time because she's so soft-spoken, and soothing.

    The problem is just more pure abstract and psychobabble and not enough home-down gritty stories about life (which I try to share from time to time), which I have no idea why people don't share more of. It does make you wonder, if they've ever had anything raw in their lives.... but lol only God can judge. =p This whole socionics lifestyle (and yes, whether you like it or not we're all part of the socionics lifestyle, don't try to act like you're above it, even if you make fun of it we've all drunk the socionics kool-aid in one form or another) is based on a construct though. It doesn't have enough pure spit, cum, blood and tears.
    Welcome to the realm of the logical, lol. I don't want to hear your story when I'm busy analyzing the theoretical foundation of this system.

    That and there are plenty of people who don't like to air their gritty life stories on a public forum for everyone's consumption because that touches on a level of intimacy that is uncomfortable for them.
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    I'll say it again. i want dolphin's voice in a box.
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    Where is her video? I think i briefly remember seeing her but if it's in that massive 16types video thread, i can't bare to search thru it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamangir View Post
    I'll say it again. i want dolphin's voice in a box.
    Kamangir! Good to see you back.
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    betas should be kept in zoos for children to stare and throw pop corn at.

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    Let's all have a round of applause for Ally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercutio View Post
    Let's all have a round of applause for Ally.
    Let's have an award for UDP
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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    Let's have an award for UDP
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
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    i'm beginning to like this forum again.

    1. UDP deserves The Award™
    2. I am going to party tomorrow.

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    wait wtf 67 posts on dolphin?

    DOLPHIN TEACH ME HOW TO REWIND TIME YET HOLD MY CORPOREAL FORM IN THE PRESENT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    I'm beginning to hate this forum. There's been no controversy whatsover on my fuckin' type. I'm unanimously ISFp. How boring is that. I wish I could be 16 types at once! Then I could command power. Confusion. Chaos.
    you're EII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    I'm beginning to hate this forum. There's been no controversy whatsover on my fuckin' type. I'm unanimously ISFp. How boring is that. I wish I could be 16 types at once! Then I could command power. Confusion. Chaos.
    After the first 5 threads of other people informing you of their thoughts of your type, the bitching and casing gets redundant.
    After 10, the forum seems generally unenjoyable.

    Pretty soon, every post is indicating one thing. Then 2 months later, your new, present posts are indicating something else. And people never bother to argue their own arguments, just throw stuff up against what you think. And if you can't explain yourself it in their exact language at the time, you "lose" in their eyes. It becomes your fault, your own incompetency. And when you show anger or frustration, that's Se. You're called LSI if people feel like you're not listening to them. You're called LII if people basically want to call you a pansy. You're called INFp if you seem emo. And your Ni valuing if you talk about spirituality.

    Also, at any given moment, posts from 6 months or 18 months or more can be pulled and used as evidence for this or that. It's actually quite fascinating the lengths some people will go, reading through things you've written, to come up and present an argument. I seem to have a knack for causing people to do that.

    And, what's more, the people who proclaim knowing you will not actually converse with you, or pm you about your type, or contact you in any way. That's basically how you know someone is just trying to promote themselves over you, rather than come to any understanding through interaction with you.

    Most people that proclaim types do so because they want to be right about something. So after a while, the barrage of people trying to "win" something over you makes the forum seem rather empty.


    I say shoot for 3 or 4 if you're in want of some action.
    After a while you've heard every possible argument from people (which is already stale because you've considered it before someone else brought it up), and it turns into some sort of arbitrary opinion-proofing process.

    Just be careful what you wish for.
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    That's very kind of you.
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