it seems pretty darn gamma to me... what do u think?
it seems pretty darn gamma to me... what do u think?
ESFp-Fi sub
6w7 sx/so/sp
that commercial was pretty cool.
INTp
sx/sp
I can sort of see Ni and Se, but I don't really see anything that tilts the balance between Beta or Gamma...maybe I'm missing something. I agree though, it was cool. Especially the fight with the dragon, well, insofar as there was one. I love dragons.
ILI (Indescribable Lovemaking Inc.)
5w4 so/sx
"IP temperament! Because today's concerns are tomorrow's indifferences!"
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Stickam music performances
the animation is incredibly creative, i like.
SEE Unknown Subtype
6w7 sx/so
[21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
[21:29] hitta: and not dying
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I don't think it is of any quadra in particular, but I can see Te+Fi, Si and Ni more easily. Maybe Delta would fit best overall.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
No. It's Ni-Se rather than Ne-Si. The nature of the dream - leading a fight to kill an evil enemy, and being voluntarily recognized as the leader by the companions around him - it's sheer Se + Fi, besides the very nature of it - the dream - being Ni focused.
What tilts the balance from Beta to Gamma is that there is little Fe, and no Ti, involved. It's purely about the personal achievement of one guy as concerns close individuals (his family and the knights). There is a bit of Fe, but it seems just a manifestation of Fi. There is absolutely no Ti.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
The overall theme is of a guy defeating the enemies of his closed ones - his family in "reality", and - so it appears - the limited number of knights in the dream. That is a Se theme; what makes it Fi rather than Ti it's that it's the defeat of a clearly "evil" enemy, the dragon, and with no hint that there is any structure, or ideology, at stake. if, rather than the dragon, it had been a sort of "neutral-looking" enemy army, then it would be more Beta.
Also, it's about the "victory" of one individual, that guy, becoming victorious as his own personal achievement, in a "single hero epic" way -- that is Gamma, rather than Beta. It's "selfish" in the Gamma way. For it to be Beta, there should be a hint of a "higher purpose" than just that particular guy.
However, the video has elements of all quadras: there is some Ne and Si in some scenes and the overall look; so, how all better commercials, probably it appeals to all quadras, for different reasons.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
The whole "you can make your own way, you can do anything" theme is quite prevalent in Gamma (not that it never appears in other quadras). The beginning and end of the commercial focus on the guy as a family man (even though he was sitting on a throne in the middle of it), which makes it appear more Fi + Se as well, as Delta Fi tends to be more altruistic.
Delta Fi tends to be more directed at... everyone... and Gamma Fi tends to be directed specifically at close friends and family.
Delta Fi also tends to be more humanistic and altruistic, while Gamma Fi has more of a fighting spirit.
Extreme examples to illustrate the differences:
- Delta Fi: "Can't we all just get along?" or "We need to save the starving children in Africa." or "People who do bad things should be rehibilitated. Think of the horrible things that may have happened to them to make them that way. If we kill them, it makes us murderers, too."
- Gamma Fi: "If someone hurts a person I care about, I won't go easy on them." or "People should look out for themselves and their loved ones." or "Someone who does stuff that's that bad shouldn't be shown any mercy. Think about how his victim's family feels. That person deserves to die."
Obviously Delta types care about their families, but I think they think of larger scale Fi as being more noble or admirable somehow while caring about your family is just a given. Gamma types are more likely to idealize family life and values while seeing larger scale Fi concerns as "just a given" (provided they don't conflict).
While I can see your point Joy, I still identify much better with your Gamma Fi definitions myself.
By these definitions I am definitely a Gamma Fi valuer.
I am still not an ethical type though and my Fi is supposed to be unconscious or whatever so maybe I can't make the proper difference in quadra viewpoints myself. (assuming your definitions are a valid measuring point)
Last edited by Park; 08-19-2008 at 12:55 AM.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
What you are describing as Gamma Fi vs Delta Fi also reminds me of something I've had misunderstandings with my mother about. She's never been emotionally supporting to me and our family but she 's always been nice and good to everyone, like a fucking mother Teresa (excuse my language here), spreading her love and good deeds all around and letting herself being misused my others, instead of focusing her energy on her family and their needs. But maybe that's not an Fi conflict, but Fi vs Fe or something else...
Last edited by Park; 08-19-2008 at 01:36 AM.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
Enneagram 2?