How do Fi egos (particularly Fi dominants) rationalise away bad behaviour of their own against their ethical standards? Would they feel the need to readjust their moral code to allow for their actions? Or maybe they just bear the guilt?
How do Fi egos (particularly Fi dominants) rationalise away bad behaviour of their own against their ethical standards? Would they feel the need to readjust their moral code to allow for their actions? Or maybe they just bear the guilt?
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In my limited experience, they usually feel guilty about it afterwards. I wish I had more to say on the matter, but alas noooooo.
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Possibly they view it as necessary to accomplish something (circumstances or other's actions brought them to this point) or believe their own actions aren't 'as bad' compared to the actions of others involved.
Your question is vague as is my response.
With EIIs, I've seen them feel guilty.
Fi+Ne can actually be an extremely brutal way to look at the world, because you have to see things from so many different ways.
In a more extreme case, I saw one throw away their "morality" completely. The results of that vary depending on the person. Sometimes they can pretend like they don't have it or don't care - or at least that is what it can seem like - but I always sense a sort of guilt with them. To be honest though, EIIs can be extremely close to the vest about how they really feel about many things, especially personal things, so I can't profess that I know much about this. I would suggest that like any type, it varies somewhat on a personal basis.
ESIs I've seen "guilty" much less, at least in the EII sort of way. ESI's have this air of "yeah, that sucked - but I'm doing something else now" or "Yeah, that was a shitty moment, but oh well". It may not necessarily affect them less, but you'll of course get a more Se vibe from the ESIs.
That's what I've seen, in terms of my limited real life experience, with those types. You should look to the dominants for better comments.
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From what I have seen they rationalize and adjust their moral code to allow for what they feel they need at the moment. "Because I was hurt this way in the past I am entiteled to allow myself this now... (even if I know it will hurt X or Y or several others)" The price is payed with lowered self esteem leading to a bad circle where they do more 'bad' things they feel they need in order to feel more positive about themselves, at least for the moment, which further erodes their self image. They can then overcompensate by becoming very rigid and clinging even harder to quadra values creating very complicated situations they find it hard to untangle themselves from. Eventually they become like hollowed out shells with a dark blackness inside, at least in their own eyes. They see little positive about themselves even if there obviously is that too.
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Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Obviously there was a lot going on in the above description, what I described was just a sketchy outline.
As I see it the overly strict internal moral code is part of the problem. Oversensitivity here easily leads to low self esteem and a feeling of inadequacy, no matter how good the person really is it is never enough in their eyes. For example someone (like a parent) may have put excessive demands or expectations on that person as a child, and the person never really came to terms with that.
Clearly in an example as extreme as I gave a lot of functions are involved, and such a process doesn't happen overnight but as a series of personal disasters/poor decisions over a period of time. A person like that must fight for the self or there will be nothing left. There is a continuous battle. And yes there is a God like quality to them, at least for a little while, while they play one party against another, but it doesn't really help. In the end it is counterproductive as the games are easy to see through and it only further erodes their self esteem, because they feel they are betraying their friends while they value loyalty above all. Their self esteem is lowered because they are doing is wrong in their own judgement (they attack their own Fi), if they no longer are able to feel remorse it is sociopathic behaviour and as such outside any moral dilemma's of right and wrong. But that is not the case here.
Perhaps paradoxically, and I think this is because ultimately they are not evil, they are rather easy to see through, they have loyal friends who support them.
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I don't rationalize it. There are times when I slip up and feel bad, though I don't always apologize if I'm too proud. I practically never do something I think is wrong, consciously and deliberately. It's usually after losing my temper, getting really irritated, etc. If I'm being mean to you though, odds are I don't think I'm wrong in doing so.
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."
The only way I'll feel bad about bad behavior is if I intentionally did it. When I have good intentions and end up doing something wrong...as in upsetting someone or causing some other sort of bad reaction...I will sort of get into a frenzy of trying to make it clear that it wasn't my intention and I'm frantically try to fix whatever happened. I'll feel bad about it sort of...but if there is nothing to be done to fix it than I don't see the point in dwelling on my mistake.
I often make mistakes because...well take what discojoe said for example. He says he hardly ever does anything that he feels is wrong. I work in pretty much the same way, EXCEPT I just do/say things that pop into my head, and then depending on the reaction I am forced to think about what I did and THEN I'm forced to worry about if it was right or wrong and I just wasn't aware. Usually my opinions on right and wrong are not the same as those in the Fe-valuing environment I've been residing in and this causes many problems for me and my mentality in general. It makes me paranoid, it makes me over-analytical...it makes me neurotic and constantly having to worry about being myself. So...I usually just suppress myself until I burst out with...myself.... and offend everyone around me all over again. Then I spend the next bout of suppression to patch up the damage.
It sucks that I can cater to the Fe-valuers that I have around me all the time, because of my knowledge of socionics and the fact that everyone deals with stimulus different in general....but they make no effort to cater to my value system or me in general. Buuuut that sounds like I'm saying "Woe is me those meanie Fe people waaaahhh!"...it isn't that serious. Its just the way it is. If they don't see the point then they're not going to entertain the thought...just how I don't entertain the thoughts of other functions they might use...
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Thanks Kioshi - really interesting. I guess it's got to do with IEIs looking for Ti and IEEs resisting being Ti-ified. (c:
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."