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    alpha: i must not have worded it correctly; you misunderstood me; I'm not in my right mind

    beta: you caught me at a bad time; that wasn't the right time to say that; you shouldn't have said that and made me look bad

    gamma: You're not talking about the same thing (failing to consider other possibilities); that wouldn't happen; why do you care about that (theory, relevant hypotheticals); you've never had sex (to discount someone's argument)

    deltas: you can't be trusted/you're a bad person; you can do it another way; I like/hate her; red herring types of statements (need help on this one)

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    Delta?: You fail to understand the complexities of the situation and how the details effect certain subtleties in the outcome. (Te, Ne, Si)
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    Well I use all of them I make excuses, excuse me but that's who I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms. Kensington View Post
    alpha: i must not have worded it correctly; you misunderstood me; I'm not in my right mind

    beta: you caught me at a bad time; that wasn't the right time to say that; you shouldn't have said that and made me look bad

    gamma: You're not talking about the same thing (failing to consider other possibilities); that wouldn't happen; why do you care about that (theory, relevant hypotheticals); you've never had sex (to discount someone's argument)

    deltas: you can't be trusted/you're a bad person; you can do it another way; I like/hate her; red herring types of statements (need help on this one)
    I probably do what's attributed to alpha most and lol at the bolded bit.

    Not sure how to change the delta one or anything though.
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    Alpha: I am getting hard at your idea
    Beta: either I have created YOUR idea or your idea is WRONG
    Gamma: I am too hostile smartass to talk to you
    Delta: I am taking drugs and I cannot think about your ideas just about now
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    you've never had sex (to discount someone's argument)


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    My excuses tend towards "come on, guys, this is ridiculous bullshit; the actual point is..."

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    Do many of these not sound like excuses to anyone else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    Do many of these not sound like excuses to anyone else?
    So what's your excuse, Joy?
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    I'm going to take the word "excuse" to mean "leave", similarly to how one excuses him or herself from a meal or meeting.

    When I excuse myself from an argument/debate, it's usually due to various forms of "I don't feel like talking about this". The reasons usually have to do with knowing no good will come of it (possibly because the person just wants to have someone to argue with and I'm not interested in being drawn in to providing fodder for whatever drama they desire), feeling too impatient to deal with that person atm (possibly because the person needs to have too much explained to him/her), the person continually nitpicking things that are besides the point or bringing up things that are irrelevant or extremely unlikely to happen, irreconcilable differences in premises, and/or simply being bored with the conversation.
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    ah, well, joy, i meant that its an excuse for losing an argument, logically.

    If my points don't make logical sense, i might say, oh, im sorry, i was not in my right mind. That doesn't make my argument right. It's an excuse, or a reason why I failed.

    If a gamma says "you've never had sex" to make someone look stupid after they've given an opinion or loose argument about forming a utopia, or why star wars is great, that doesn't refute or address their argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms. Kensington View Post
    ah, well, joy, i meant that its an excuse for losing an argument, logically.

    If my points don't make logical sense, i might say, oh, im sorry, i was not in my right mind. That doesn't make my argument right. It's an excuse, or a reason why I failed.
    Usually people don't think they've "lost" an argument. Many times the individuals are making cases for different perspectives, and neither of them is entirely right or entirely wrong.

    "Logic" is often in the eye of the beholder. What is illogical to one person is logical to another. None of us can lay claim to THE truth in its entirety (except phaedrus, of course), and none of us is THE authority on what is ultimately logical and what is ultimately not (except phaedrus, of course).

    Also, I don't see most discussions as something that a person can "win" or "lose", even if there's a disagreement.

    In addition, if I was incorrect, I was just simply wrong. I don't see why I would need to come up with a specific reason or justification for it. "Oh, I was mistaken" suffices.

    If I was being bitchy, however, that's different. I may say something along the lines of "sorry, I'm feeling just feeling ornery today" or something like that (possibly in a PM).

    I guess what it comes down to is that you're looking for how people come to terms with their Ti mistakes, and I'm telling you that Ti isn't as important as Te or Fi. (Not objectively, of course. Just from my perspective.)

    If a gamma says "you've never had sex" to make someone look stupid after they've given an opinion or loose argument about forming a utopia, or why star wars is great, that doesn't refute or address their argument.
    When Peter does this it's pretty much his way of telling someone that they're just being a pathetic little bitch or putting too much importance on something that doesn't really matter. His perception is that no further progress can be made, so he's saying, "You're making this debate stupid and pointess, so I'm going to respond in kind," or "We've reached an impass, so I'm going to give you what you want, a flame war." He's also telling them what they're going to accomplish by behaving that way (not having sex ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    He's also telling them what they're going to accomplish by behaving that way (not having sex ).
    Pathetic little bitches are like my second most powerful aphrodisiac.
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