an interesting socionneagram excercise

[aestrivex]

each of the 9 enneatypes has a brief description and, if you click on the enneagram number in the image, a video of a representative of that type talking.


type these enneagram types in socionics. a few of them are fairly easy to extract information from, but i think some of them are far more difficult given the rather brief exposure and the formal nature of the setting. comparing results for some of them might be interesting.

http://www.enneagram.com/enneagram_type1.html


the video media is really atrocious; sorry about that.

[XoX]

I need to check this...this week...must go now

[Not A Communist Shill]

My idiotic suggestions...
1: ESTj
2: Delta NF
3: ENTj
4: INFp
5: INTj
6: ISFj
7: ESFp
8: Beta ST
9: ISFp

[Phaedrus]

Person 6 and person 9 are both clearly introverted and ethical. Person 5 is an INTp (definitely not an INTj). Person 7 is clearly an ENXp, and seems more likely ENFp than ENTp. The other types are somewhat harder to type but person 1 could be an ISTj (facial expressions and V.I.).

[aestrivex]

In any case, I was looking around for vids of E types and not finding much except some vids that I thought were kinda nut-jobish (as enneagram can sometimes come across as). And yeah, these vids are also too short to get a good picture of what these people might be in socionics, but I am glad for the link because it's at least something which I've been interested in finding.

the fact that these videos are so short and so enneagram-focused is exactly why this excercise is particularly interesting, to try to investigate some of the typical correlations. there's at least one that i think is a bit non-standard by what people who buy into enneagram/socionics correlations might say.

[Phaedrus]

watching this now. wow I think the 5 is INTj.

Then you have serious flaws in your understanding of the types. Person 5 is absolutely not an INTj.

[Phaedrus]

hmm. really... she seems IJ>IP? What are you looking at?

Her way of talking for example.

[Not A Communist Shill]

I wouldn't say that number 5 is absolutely not an INTp in the same way that Phaedrus says that number 5 is absolutely not an INTj .

[Phaedrus]

It seemed fairly structured and rational to me, what did you think about it?

Are you suggesting that an INTp's way of talking wouldn't seem fairly structured and rational too? Both are NTs, don't forget that.

Also the types of problems she talks about seem more INTj-ish.

Which type of problems are typically INTj-ish?

[Phaedrus]

ok phaedrus, maybe I am an idiot... but I'm having a hard time seeing her as INTp. what do the other INTps think about her? Niff, Salawa, reyn, etc.?

You know phaedrus, maybe she was just incorrectly typed.

I am not 100 % sure that she is an INTp even though I said that she ws an INTp. But I am almost 100 % sure that she is not an INTj.

[aka-kitsune]

Watched a few so far -- Totally would NOT identify the woman depicted in Type 8 as one. She seemed very low energy. Not something I associate with 8s.

And the ennea-4 guy... I just found myself thinking, "So EMO!" Being a male Four must be tough. Never really thought about it, but yeah.

[Phaedrus]

But if she's INTj, then she's I(N)Tj.

How do you tell an I(N)Tj from an IN(T)j? Do you have any famous example of each?

[munenori2]

Wow. I'm totally a 9.

[munenori2]

I didn't really know what a nine was before that video, but I totally like and respect them.

ps. I hope you don't think I'm coming on or anything.

[Rubicon]

9.ISFp (Ti-HA, Fe-CRE)

What about the guy do you see as being evidence of Ti HA?

[Rubicon]

It's just a hunch, but what he said about becoming absorbed in another person's being is the most crucial part of his description. Whatever function this is related to, that function is in the superid block because not only does he let his guard down with respect to it, but he actively accepts people's input/advice with regards to it and manages to submerge with them.

Now, Ti as it manifests in the real world is related to "hardness", the endurance of one's systems, ideas, precepts and the clear dileneation of one's ideologies. So the video suggests he has this function in a valued but weak position.

But the fact that he's constantly unsure and is on the fence about his "submersion" suggests (HA > compulsive dual seeking) with respect to the function. And the fact that he seems pretty IP, VIs as irrational and manifests a "~caretaking Fe-creative" attitude suggests ISFp.

But it's just one video, so of course I can't be sure of anything.

Ah okay - thanks. You know, it never occurred to me to try to type someone based on what they were saying. Maybe that's my Te polr lol, but I need to know what the information is based on, where it's coming from before putting much stock in it. Plus I'm thinking differently about myself all the time, so would find a typing based on a self-description a bit wonky. lol

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Logos]

The only ones I liked were 1 and 3. 4 and 9 were okay, but a bit fluffy.

2 was gross, 5 was boring, 6 was even more boring, 7 was a bit high-strung, and 8 was too serious and negative.

If the 3 was a good representative of 3 type people, I've known one my whole life - my mom. Absolutely everything is a competition with her. I doubt she would admit it as openly as that guy did though.

I honestly could not stand any of them, since they all sounded like people in a cult therapy session with personal issues.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Park]

I honestly could not stand any of them, since they all sounded like people in a cult therapy session with personal issues.

LOL. Thank you. I was just going to say that.

[dbmmama]

LOL. Thank you. I was just going to say that.

+1

sis and i watched them together and we figured out my mom is the 8, sis was closest to the 2 but none were right on for me, a mixture of 2, 4, 7 and 9, but they still weren't "right." i'm actually more high strung than the 7 in the video and related to the going deep to find the missing "piece" of the 4 as well as the going back and forth between "being" and "doing" of the 9.

i go back and forth between being and doing. when i'm being, i go deep like a 4. when i'm doing i am very impulsive like a 7. i don't really know how to "blend" the two. it's one extreme or the other, usually. and then i wonder who or which one is the "real" me.

at first, i did like seeing actual people just talking. but, as i watched more of them, they all did seem to be too pretensious about it all. i know that's what the workshop or whatever they were in was about, but it made it not "real" enough. the "tone" in everyone's voice WAS very cultish.

[Elro]

the "tone" in everyone's voice WAS very cultish.

Yeah it was. What types do you think are most prone to get brainwashed into cults, btw? I bet it's Fe types with their overreliance on Ti. Or perhaps IP types due to their going with the flow in general, and thus not being as resistant to new ideas. Or types with weak Se, maybe, for the same reasons. So basically, IEIs.

[Elro]

That is most excellent. Who else is with me!?

[Elro]

Me too!

[dbmmama]

Me three!

seriously though, I would find it interesting to have more people compare these types.

wow, they were all similar that way. oh, i want to help them break out of it NOW!!

[Park]

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ad.php?t=20496

[Expat]

Very interesting.

First impressions of those people (in a hurry):

1 - LSI
2 - IEI I guess
3 - To me he's a typical EIE of E3 type. I considered LIE, but his droning on about how he needs to compete with others for competion's sake, even in trivial matters, is non-LIE. Competition for competition's sake (rather than in the process of achieving something) is non-productive ie non-Te.
4 & 5 - they both seem heavily into Ni.
6 - A Fe type, likely introvert. I'd guess IEI as likeliest.
7 - She's odd. My first thought was SEE, but I don't know.
8 - Ha. That's an ESI.
9 - Yet another IEI?

[Expat]

I honestly could not stand any of them, since they all sounded like people in a cult therapy session with personal issues.

I thought that too. I tried to look past what they were actually saying and rather focus on what IMs they seemed to be more comfortable with.

[Expat]

Second thoughts --

9 could be a SEI. Not sure, I was taken aback by his self-description.

I think 4 is either ILI or IEI (yes I am seeing a lot of them here). What he actually focuses on - the "career envy" thing - is not very useful except suggesting valued but weak Se.

I don't know what to make of 5. I will be "creative" and suggest ILE for her.

[Mea]

1. ESTj
2. ISFp
3. ENTj or maybe ENFj
4. INFp
5.
6. INFp
7. Ep.
8. Gamma SF. ISFj > ESFp?
9. IxFp?

[Phaedrus]

So Expat and I agree on all the types I have commented on. I didn't say anything about person 4, but I was thinking that INFp was a strong possibility when I saw the video the first time, so at least I have no objection to that typing yet.

[aka-kitsune]

I agree with the assesment that they are all IEIs.

Hey!! No dumping ground types!!

[aka-kitsune]

Very interesting.

First impressions of those people (in a hurry):

1 - LSI
2 - IEI I guess
3 - To me he's a typical EIE of E3 type. I considered LIE, but his droning on about how he needs to compete with others for competion's sake, even in trivial matters, is non-LIE. Competition for competition's sake (rather than in the process of achieving something) is non-productive ie non-Te.
4 & 5 - they both seem heavily into Ni.
6 - A Fe type, likely introvert. I'd guess IEI as likeliest.
7 - She's odd. My first thought was SEE, but I don't know.
8 - Ha. That's an ESI.
9 - Yet another IEI?

Expat, you seem to have a bit of difficulty distinguishing IEI from SEI, I'd say.

The 9 seemed very SEI to me. And the 6, eh... either SEI or ESI. And while I didn't see the 2 (that's the only one I missed), IME, they are almost ALWAYS extroverted and ethical types, like ENFj and perhaps ENFp.

[aestrivex]

here were my impressions

1 - LII or LSI.

2 - i had thought ESE, but the range of alternate responses is interesting. what i noted was his aptitude at speaking and controlling an audience and telling jokes - etc. i didn't even think about him as an IEE, which several people have suggested, which might make sense from the perspective of a mark twain style IEE.

3 - my conclusion was Se quadra extrovert. i think EIE is a good guess

4 - i was able to gleam nothing whatsoever on him.

5 - i thought ILI; perhaps its me and my biases as an E5 ILI combined with the nature of these videos, but i thought her aptitude at analyzing psychological motivations was rather Ni-focused and in some ways a bit removed from the nature of E5 (as compared, say, to the 7, who might have described herself according to surface traits of the 7 but rarely got deeper than that).

6 - clear ESI

7 - probably ILE, possibly IEE. i'm not tied to that typing.

8 - my initial impression was ESI, possibly SEE.

9 - i found him hard to read. SEI might be a good guess.

[Phaedrus]

So again there is a rather strong consensus, and the general pattern is very much in line with what I have said about the correlations between the socionic types and the Enneagram types.

[krieger]

I think "the architect" from the matix is the epitome of Ti-INTj, and labcoat (who claims to be one) seems to agree.

Hmm.... I must correct you there. I do not claim to be either of the two Gulenkian subtypes because I don't acknowledge their existence. Also the architect you see in the matrix is the kind of person that has an elaborate set of beliefs and a whole construction of pre-made judgments, which I understand to be the result of creating function usage. As such, if I HAD to assign him a subtype, it would be the contact/creating one. An accepting function focussed individual is someone who makes a lot of self-evident, tautological statements, such as "well, the person could be INTj, but could also be INTp," etc. Or "let's see, it looks like a circle". Neo is EXTREMELY accepting T in that video. He looks like a totally efaced zombie.

[mikemex]

1.- LSE.
He's definitely extroverted and rational. Doesn't seem to control or put much value on Fe.
2.- ESE.
Fe dominant. Caregiver.
3.- LIE.
Valuing the Ni-Se loop. Extroverted. Doesn't seem to control or put much value on Fe.
4.- IEI.
Calm, observant (introverted). Facial hair is almost a trademark of male IEI.
5.- LII.
Talks in a "Ti" way. Introverted. Poor control but values Fe.
6.- ESI/SLI.
Introverted, non Fe valuing, sensor.
7.- IEE.
Detached look in the eyes (heavily intuitive). Non very coherent speech. Hand gestures.
8.- LSI.
Analyzes things throughfully. Introverted. Se valuing.
9.- EII.
Weak Se, Fi valuing.

[aestrivex]

So again there is a rather strong consensus, and the general pattern is very much in line with what I have said about the correlations between the socionic types and the Enneagram types.

to anybody but phaedrus: note that these are 9 individual samples, and even if the correlations hold fairly true for these individual people, it says nothing about the overall validity of the correlations.

to phaedrus: i like pineapples.

[Logos]

Actually that's since he is establishing a emotional connection to an object.

[Ezra]

My idiotic suggestions...
1: ESTj
2: Delta NF
3: ENTj
4: INFp
5: INTj
6: ISFj
7: ESFp
8: Beta ST
9: ISFp

lol @ ur idiotic suggestions...