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Thread: Which system describes you better--socionics or enneagram

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    Default Which system describes you better--socionics or enneagram

    Some people seem to "fit" into a socionics type really easily and other seem to fit more easily into an enneagram type. I'm just curious as to which system most people in this forum thinks describes them best.
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    I find it much easier to fit the socionics type. As an example, Stratievskaya's description of the LIE could well have been written with me in mind, to an even shocking degree. And there is no other type I could really be, according to my understanding of socionics.

    For the enneagram type, it took me quite some time, and it's not as easy, and not so obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carla View Post
    I identify with a single socionics type. I'm not sure if I identify with a single enneagram type.
    Well not fully at least.
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    wasn't there a thread on precisely this recently?


    my answer hasn't changed, but it's still a highly close call.

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    In a way, I guess both more or less equally. Despite arguments recently it's not very 5-ish, the so/sx stacking description over at the Ocean Moonshine site describes me perfectly, but then again my understanding of my Socionics type works also, so...neither one really sticks out more than the other I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    I find it much easier to fit the socionics type. As an example, Stratievskaya's description of the LIE could well have been written with me in mind, to an even shocking degree. And there is no other type I could really be, according to my understanding of socionics.

    For the enneagram type, it took me quite some time, and it's not as easy, and not so obvious.
    I wish that Stratievskaya's description of the LII could have been written for me, but Russian Socionists seem too caught on the idea of the LII as being Robespierre and Jefferson authoritarians instead of Robespierre and Jefferson being the LII.
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    My enneagram type describes me much better than socionics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
    I wish that Stratievskaya's description of the LII could have been written for me, but Russian Socionists seem too caught on the idea of the LII as being Robespierre and Jefferson authoritarians instead of Robespierre and Jefferson being the LII.
    Fair enough.

    Yet, I think it's more of a cultural issue. Russians (and French) tend to see Robespierre in a rather positive way, as an idealistic intellectual. The English-speaking world tends to see him as the author of the Terror.
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    Enneagram description fits almost like a glove for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbean View Post
    My enneagram type describes me much better than socionics.
    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    Fair enough.

    Yet, I think it's more of a cultural issue. Russians (and French) tend to see Robespierre in a rather positive way, as an idealistic intellectual. The English-speaking world tends to see him as the author of the Terror.
    This is mainly a problem though in the section that seems to have subtle flavor of that seems...off putting. I am not sure, however, what other LIIs think about the description.
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    I'd say socionics. It affects so many more aspects of my behavior than my enneagram type, plus 9s are generally made out to be more "soft" than I see myself.

    Socionics (and to some extent the Enneagram too) is far more subtle and general than people usually give it credit for. LII descriptions, on the other hand, are a poor-to-ok fit for me (the information element descriptions are much better). Come to think of it, my understanding of the 9 is mostly based on descriptions, so that's probably why.

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    Enneagram - by far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason_m View Post
    Enneagram - by far.
    Which type are you in the Enneagram then? I don't remember if you have stated that clearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    lol
    "lol" because you think he's right or because you think he's wrong?

    It's funny that someone thinks they're an ILE 8w7, but even funnier that someone thinks - and there is someone on this forum who actually does think this - that they're a 2w3 ILE.

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    Which type are you in the Enneagram then? I don't remember if you have stated that clearly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    I find it much easier to fit the socionics type. As an example, Stratievskaya's description of the LIE could well have been written with me in mind, to an even shocking degree. And there is no other type I could really be, according to my understanding of socionics.

    For the enneagram type, it took me quite some time, and it's not as easy, and not so obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    "lol" because you think he's right or because you think he's wrong?
    lol because i think he's an excellent socionics benchmark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    lol because i think he's an excellent socionics benchmark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carla View Post

    On a side note, I just found Phaedrus' type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    I find it much easier to fit the socionics type. As an example, Stratievskaya's description of the LIE could well have been written with me in mind, to an even shocking degree. And there is no other type I could really be, according to my understanding of socionics.

    For the enneagram type, it took me quite some time, and it's not as easy, and not so obvious.
    Same here. Some of the socionics IEI descriptions fit me errily well, and by looking at how everything else in socionics falls into place there is really no doubt in my mind that I could possibly be any other type.

    I haven't been looking into the enneagram for very long at all, but everything seems a lot more vague to me and I can't develop a clear concrete thought process with it - as in, I could possibly see myself being something, but I feel as if there is no sure way of knowing if I actually am, and I'm not sure if I can rely on my intuition with such things.
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    I'd say that my enneagram type generates a lot less controversy, even though I personally think they (enneagram and socionics) describe me equally well. Socionics has a broader scope in terms of useability.
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    Once I read Rick's IEE description, I thought: this is perfect. Until then, I had been somewhat uncertain. Now I'm pretty comfortable with my socionics type and how it describes me.

    On enneagram, there are some descriptions of 3w4 and of sp/sx that I really connect to, but other descriptions of 3s that make me want to scream, or cry. Sometimes the descriptions of 3s seem wholly disconnected with reality and I feel so ashamed after reading them that somehow I'm not even as successful as my description is! Which is ridiculous. Not only do I feel I have to live up to a specific image, I feel that I don't even really live up to the description of my type sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unefille View Post
    Once I read Rick's IEE description, I thought: this is perfect. Until then, I had been somewhat uncertain. Now I'm pretty comfortable with my socionics type and how it describes me.

    On enneagram, there are some descriptions of 3w4 and of sp/sx that I really connect to, but other descriptions of 3s that make me want to scream, or cry. Sometimes the descriptions of 3s seem wholly disconnected with reality and I feel so ashamed after reading them that somehow I'm not even as successful as my description is! Which is ridiculous. Not only do I feel I have to live up to a specific image, I feel that I don't even really live up to the description of my type sometimes.
    i'd say enneagram probably describes you 100x better than IEE, from what rather minimal exposure you've given of yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carla
    On a side note, I just found Phaedrus' type.
    LOL

    I'd say enneagram describes me better. Once you get past the descriptions, you begin to see the deeper rooted fixations that guide many behaviors.
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    I have no idea what my enneagram type is, but regardless of which it is, they must describe me so badly that I don't recognize myself.

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