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    Default Gammas opinion on social expectations and norms

    Gammas, how do you think your quadra view social expectations/norms in relation to the average person?
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    it depends.

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    depends on which norms you're thinking of.
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    ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....i think they are less likely to let themselves be bound by them, along with traditions.....however.....i think it's barely type related. it highly depends on the people/way/environment they were raised around IMO.

    each type would have their own reasons why they don't go along with them or do. kelly states the obvious once again.
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    Eh... Wha... ? Uh...

    Whatever. Beats me.

    (though I note my response was affected by the general climate of these boards)
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    I think I'm not Gamma. But I could be wrong.
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    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    I think I'm not Gamma. But I could be wrong.
    Point being?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlameReborn View Post
    Point being?
    that I was joking,

    or that I didn't vote for option #4, for the aforementioned reason.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Well, then, your arrow missed my head. ::waves aas it flies by::
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    Also....as pointless and useless...and tiresome...a lot of the social expectations are.....everyone has to deal with them. Unless they are a hermit. Even then.....they'll probably have to deal with another person some time or another. And that person will have expectations. And the hermit won't care.

    So I make myself aware of them, I screw up and put my foot in my mouth a lot...I can be inappropriate. I like it when I have a reason not to care, I feel like I just have to follow rules in order to get something. Its like an unnecessary obstacle.
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    Rules are tiring.

    The "Am I LII or ILI?" dilemma cropped up in my head again. But I like being ILI.

    So I'll just forget it. eHHHH... I hope...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khamelion View Post
    ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....i think they are less likely to let themselves be bound by them, along with traditions.....however.....i think it's barely type related. it highly depends on the people/way/environment they were raised around IMO.

    each type would have their own reasons why they don't go along with them or do. kelly states the obvious once again.
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    Doesn't depend on quadra.
    ...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Doesn't depend on quadra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
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    ...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Doesn't depend on quadra.
    i agree. it's sort of ridiculous to claim that gamma cares less all around. a nice, clearcut answer seems like what is being sought here where i don't think it makes any sense at all. i've heard a variety of types espouse and reject social norms of various types. not enough of a "pattern" to be significant at all.
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    Gamma's moral are usually higher then average...I think.

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    I am skeptic of such a claim.
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    i think gammas sway towards being rule breakers, they don't put as much value on meeting social expectations and being seen as nice

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    Couldn't different social norms be attributed to different information elements? Either way people follow social norms when they feel it benefits them. In a gamma valuing culture gamma's will uphold norms more than other types, in an alpha culture not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ainfigur View Post
    Couldn't different social norms be attributed to different information elements? Either way people follow social norms when they feel it benefits them. In a gamma valuing culture gamma's will uphold norms more than other types, in an alpha culture not so much.
    what about in a mixed society where all quadra are equally represented?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeves View Post
    what about in a mixed society where all quadra are equally represented?
    By culture I didn't mean society as a whole, cultures can be big or small. So it would depend on the mixture of quadra representatives in a given situation imo.

    I think a perfectly mixed society with an equal number of all sociotypes would be some kind of perfectly functional utopia or something.

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    I think I tend to ignore social norms more than the normal person. Just be cool and you're fine with me. My Delta parents are obsessed with social norms for whatever reason. It drives me insane and makes me super uncomfortable/anxious to socialize around them. It's like they are completely opposed to my social M.O.

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    mostly i am more drawn to people who don't follow social norms but that's such a vague term. i like when people are offbeat or socially disruptive in a way that i don't find grating but i couldn't say what makes the difference b/w grating or not, its individual. like i knew this girl who picked her nose in public but she was just so fucking nonchalant and not giving a fuck about it and with her specific personality it was funny. but if anybody else did that i would be totally disgusted. maybe everybody just relaxes their standards for people they like.

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    I dont really like people so.

    (right now)

    (my answer will change).

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    My generalized response is based on my personal experience with the individuals I have known. The 4 types most likely to follow their own path regardless of societal "norms" are: 1. ISTj (most likely), 2. INTj, 3. ENTp, 4. ESTp (2 Beta, 2 Alpha). Thus I would conclude that the tendency is based more upon functions ie. Ti-valuing, as opposed to Quadra. In other words, these types would do what made sense to them logically, as opposed to following societal norms/rules for the mere sake of conforming.

    It is my opinion that these 4 types are the most likely to follow social expectations/norms, more so than the average person: 1. ESFj (most likely), 2. ESTj, 3. ISFp, 4. ISTp (2 Alphas, 2 Deltas). In this case it would appear that Si-valuing types care most about doing what is normally expected by "society".

    Following this reasoning--I would rank Betas as least likely to abide by social norms (having 2 entries in the bottom 4, and 2 entries in the middle group of 8).

    Alpha and Gamma would tie. Alpha has 2 of the top 4 and 2 of the bottom 4--a dichotomous quartet whereby the ESFj and ISFp keep the wayward INTj and ENTp from pulling too far away from the median of society. All 4 Gamma types have the propensity to go either way. Diligent and sensitive, yet unpredictable in that all 4 can go off on a tangent prompting observers to wonder "wtf were they thinking??"! Personally as a Gamma, those times are very liberating--that 10% of the time when some very personal (yet to others seemingly arbitrary) line has been crossed, and I can no longer keep everything simmering below containment for the sake of conformity, compliance, or duty.

    Deltas would rank as the Quadra most likely to abide by social norms/rules, given that it has 2 entries in the top 4, and 2 in the middle 8.

    I realize this is subjective.

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    I don't value social expectations and norms. I like it when someone behaves according to their own powerful individuality (however without having to stifle another's quirks in the process). I don't like people who are antisocial or who go against the grain for the hell of it, either, because this way they are still "slaves" to the norms they indirectly relate to. Probably the key is originality&substance when I'm drawn to someone who marches to the beat of their own drum. Uhm, I reckon this question was about more than stuff like "social table manners".

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