Do you think Dark Knight's Joker is most likely in your quadra?
Yes, and I'm Alpha
It's my second choice, and I'm Alpha
No, and I'm Alpha
Yes, and I'm Beta
It's my second choice, and I'm Beta
No, and I'm Beta
Yes, and I'm Gamma
It's my second choice, and I'm Gamma
No, and I'm Gamma
Yes, and I'm Delta
It's my second choice, and I'm Delta
No, and I'm Delta
I'm not confident about which quadra I'm in.
I haven't seen the movie.
Do you think Dark Knight's Joker is most likely in your quadra?
This is a public poll, btw. This will allow people to weigh the results according to whether they think that the voters actually are in the quadra they say they are (for those whose typings are disputed and those who enjoy making joke votes in polls).
What's your hypothesis?
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
None, really. I'm just curious.
Actually, I do have a hunch about how the votes will fall (aside from the joke votes, of course). I sent you a PM, but I'm going to wait to post what my hunch was until after most people have already cast their votes.
I wouldn't really call it a hypothesis though. I really am mostly just curious.
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Hm, for some reason I was thinking that your self-typing is LII. Am I mistaken?
I saw this movie yesterday...
Heath Ledger plays the Joker as beta NF, (he himself was Delta ST.) Compare the Joker with Aerosmith's Steven Tyler--and I don't just mean in the mouth area.
How people here could classify the Joker as Delta, and moreover ENFp... Yeah, explain yourselves please. That Batman is beta and represents 'good' and that the Joker is his counterpart and represents 'bad' (i.e. order vs. chaos) is not sound reasoning in terms of Socionics.
Batman is LSI; Bruce Wayne maybe ESI.
Many of the characters in this movie are Beta or Gamma i.e. Se base or valuing... M. Caine's character Alfred, Harvey Dent is ENXj, the Joker, Batman himself... Maggie Gyllenhall's character is tough to type b/c it seemed a little inconsistent.
The only character in the movie that is definitely Delta is Morgan Freeman's. (Gordon might be Delta introvert.)
Last edited by JuJu; 07-30-2008 at 07:09 PM.
Actually THA I would say that if their life philosophies are about the same thing, but with opposing views, then it is more likely that they are in the same quadra, IMO. The idea with sharing a "quadra" with people is that you are interested in similar psychological "territory," if you will; their actual "stances" on the subject, whatever it may be, are purely subjective, and, IMO, have less to do with psychological type.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I'm not definite in thinking the Joker is SEI, but in regards to the "do i look like a man with a plan" comment - I know that he said that for manipulation purposes - that's obvious, but ... Idk, it's hard to explain - I just relate to it in that I've said similar things in the past while having a plan of sorts. But they don't feel like plans to me, because they're based on hypotheticals - just "if this happens, I'll do this - if this goes wrong, I'll fall back on this" sort-of things. And people have pulled me up later with "you obviously planned all this out" when I really don't feel like I have. I guess maybe I make plans, then I throw them away and rely on my instincts, using the plans only as a rough guide. So saying that I don't have a plan seems true. But I'm probably reading too deep into this character lol. It's really more that I just get a familiar feeling from him - his tactics make sense to me.
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."
Ah yes, the legendary 'Are we too alike or too different' debate that is the predictable response of any psychological mind-wanking.I see what you mean, and I agree specific opinions are secondary - but opposite quadras are usually interested in or fixated on the same things due to having the same elements blocked together.
Sorry but you just made no sense, really.
Okay, so you don't have a self-typing?
Anyways... sorry. I'm not sure why I assumed that your self-typing was LII. I checked my wikisocion type list and apparently have you as a self-typed LII there as well.
Interestingly, my brother tells me the opposite. In other words, he says that people other than you are more able to tell your type. I'm not really sure which approach is correct, but what I have noticed is that some people seem like really obvious examples of certain types (to which everyone agrees), and yet they believe themselves to be something else.
Jason
Where are the Betas?
ScarettLux, what type/quadra do you think the Joker is?
Subterranean, do you think Joker's IEE?
Last edited by Joy; 07-31-2008 at 01:25 PM.
It appears that the Betas aren't finding there way into this topic for the most part, so I'm going to just go ahead and post my hunch. Here's the PM I sent Logos:
Originally Posted by Joy
Perhaps the fact that SEIs relate to him more than any other Alpha type is a point for IEI?
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Oops, didn't read it properly; I haven't seen the movie.
- xP
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