I read an interesting argument for Rammstein's music being Delta around a year ago. Will see if I can find it.
Edit: First page and first two posts by Smilingeyes on the second page.
I read an interesting argument for Rammstein's music being Delta around a year ago. Will see if I can find it.
Edit: First page and first two posts by Smilingeyes on the second page.
Last edited by GuavaDrunk; 08-30-2012 at 10:24 PM.
Reason is a whore.
Pretty sure he is SLE. Can't see him in Alpha.
Do not find anything about thatOriginally Posted by GuavaDrunk
I think the same thing. And I'm more inclined to think ILE, oddly enough, although he's so different from all the ILE's I've ever seen.
His Ennea-type must be 8 (probably 8w7).
Now, accessing my faulty memory, that is, well, working better than before, there's something amiss in the socionics land of the dead, that is people that passed away and have had Till Lindemann on their lips waving that beta flag or something.
And this song isn't that bad:
Hmm, how about Te-SLI?
Well then, definite ESI. I stand corrected.
There's more: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...hp/17891-Ti-Se
ENFJ
Where does ENTp come from?
tsk tsk,MBTI talk.
Eh, there has to be some common line between all these silly personality typologies...
I could see LSE, SEE, or ESI. Not SLI; the eyes are too vivid and wary for an Si dominant, and he has a heavier feel to him. Probably Enneagram 6 or 8. Very clearly a sensor, Fi valuing.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I concur with Gilly. Peak Te/Fi and a sensor. Te-LSE would be my best guess.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
OK, now I'm more inclined to say SLE. I don't know what I'm talking about, though.
ESTj so/sp 8w7
Bump.
Till Lindemann - ESFP - Napoleon
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LxE imo, extravert is clear
Probably what I like most about him in his lyrics are one liners which give the message "I can't be owned, I can't be controlled or tamed, and things aren't the way they seem, world is not as nice as it seems but that is okay" but in a much more mature way than other metal bands most of the time. Quite direct while still misleading and quite mature while still there are hints of teen spirit (of course). I would say Till is definitely Se valuing. His conception of power dynamics makes sense from a Se point of view, and I can see absurdity of an Ni mind in his lyrics and comparisons as well. Not sure about Ti vs Te but to me seems more Fi valuing than Fe valuing.
Also his approach to his job is unlike many other artists quite strict and well defined, he seems like a leader type rather than a manager which makes it unlikely for him to be LSE or ILE.
He sometimes makes bad jokes about other people directly in their face but in a way to make the person laugh at themselves. Like in making the video for Sonne, when they had to make the dwarfs smaller than snow white, he said: "apart from Paul whom we had to make a bit taller", Paul is 5'6" all other members are above 6'.
So LIE is possible. LSI could also be possible but I have a hard time imagining my LSI father as the same character as Till Lindemann!
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He doesnt strike me as an intuitive at all tho.
He has big stage presence and presence in general which would point towards type 8 and 4D Se imo
He also seems J to me. I think hes LSE
Nah come on in what universe can a delta type be so aggressively political and sexual?
and don't you agree with the manager vs. leader argument I mentioned above?
I would argue about LSI though, but no way he's LSE
Till Lindemann looks LIE to me. More intuitive than me, but not so much that he's LIE-Ni. And e8 from his lyrics, e3 from his interest in being on stage. Probably sp-last, too.
When I first saw him in stage makeup, I thought he looked LSE-brutal. But maybe this is just a natural consequence of being in the metal band business. In person without makeup, he definitely looks LIE, not LSE. He looks much more intuitive than an LSE, and intuition can give a "soft" or inquisitive look. His face in khcs' post @145 is more "Ni" than mine.
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If thats not sensor idk what is. Also LIE 8 seems impossible. Its either LIE 1 or LSE 8 and i think we can all agree with 8 with a 4 fix
Even a Sx/So in delta has to behave in limits of his quadra, Till doesn't look delta to me. The world in his eyes is not about immediate sensory pleasures, but he has a more philosophical long term outlook in his projects and thoughts.In this universe?
Btw, "aggressively political and sexual" = Sx/So.
Deltas can be Sx/So.
Anyway if you disagree with that why did you mark Adam's post as constructive?
Actually his eyes have a kind of depth in them which usually sensory types lack
s&m is definetely not the delta theme, - Se valued one and mostly beta
> The world in his eyes is not about immediate sensory pleasures
it's about immediate sensory pain there
It is possible to completely disagree with a post and still find it constructive, or "informative", which I use interchangeably with constructive, since there is no "informative" button.Anyway if you disagree with that why did you mark Adam's post as constructive?
Maybe what makes the post constructive is that it shows a reader the idiocy of the poster. I've seen that myself sometimes.
Actually, there is a thread around here which asks which quadra is most likely to engage in S&M, and the conclusion was Delta, but I'm sure not everyone likes that stuff. Anecdotally, most of the S&M I've seen does seem to have LSE's "correcting" poor little sorrowful EII's for their disobedience.
Not that S&M is my thing, you understand. It's not, at all. It probably isn't your thing, either. But if you travel a lot, you can end up seeing some pretty weird places.
There are many strange opinions on this forum.
s&m is based on the pain (against Si value) and the humilation (against Fi value)
> Anecdotally, most of the S&M I've seen does seem to have LSE's "correcting" poor little sorrowful EII's for their disobedience.
to demand obedience by the force and pain is the best way to scary away "poor little sorrowful EII"
> Not that S&M is my thing, you understand. It's not, at all. But if you travel a lot, you can end up seeing some pretty weird places.
Mb you were tired in the travel and confused with beta T-S.
The familiar ESI sx girl likes that anime, which is full of sadistic humour and brutal force. She finds that funny, being Se type. I did not like that aspect, while the other was primitive there. I hope later to check what she likes IRL.
Where on earth did you get that Lindemann is into S&M?
Where on earth did you get that I said that Lindemann is into S&M?
? Aren't you discussing that with Sol? Isn't this thread about Lindemann?
Yes, and yes. But I never said or thought Lindemann is into S&M. I actually think that it is fairly unlikely that he would be, since I think he is LIE, and I don’t associate LIE’s with S&M.
I don't think delta is really into S&M inasmuch as quadra can even be associated with such a thing. I mean I'm sure some individuals are, but S&M seems to be about subordination and surrender along with power. To me that says Se+Ti. on the other hand the thing with weird sexual stuff is a lot of times its eruption of the unconscious, so I guess it may be more about letting out repressed Se+Ti--in that sense I guess I could kind of see it. I dunno, whenever I see porn where people are doing that kind of stuff it just makes me think it hurts and that's not really what sex is about for me
If LIE isn't into S&M, why are they called Victims? Checkmate, Socionists.
There used to be an argument between Rick and Smilingeyes about whether Till Lindemann is an LSE or LSI... It's pretty funny (and sad) that even pretty intelligent people can get sucked into this.
And even today, people are basically having the exact same argument, with no conclusion whatsoever. Progress? There's no such thing.
This whole thing would make sense, if we suppose that the entire world worked in the way Socionics describes. But obviously, the world doesn't work that way, as it would be too simple.
People living 10,000 years ago or 100,000 years ago practically had the exact same functional brains as we have. I'm sure they had many intelligent people back then. But they could not have even imagined the kind of knowledge that we have now, also at the rate of progress we have now (geologists can’t distinguish the difference between artifacts from one era to another with a resolution of 10,000 years). Nothing would have worked, if the entire philosophy or the methodology was wrong, no matter how hard you worked at it.
This is Statis, a lack of change. A clear sign of regression.
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