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    Default Can you see UDP as your dual/in your quadra?

    Pretty straightforward.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Eh, hrm...

    Not really :/

    But I don't know much about him.
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    It's not a poll.

    I could potentially see UDP in my quadra.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    I guess I get this eerie feeling that the quadra values seem forced. Like, not a natural fit.

    I'd ask the IEE's concerning delta though, they're much better people readers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LokiVanguard View Post
    I guess I get this eerie feeling that the quadra values seem forced. Like, not a natural fit.

    I'd ask the IEE's concerning delta though, they're much better people readers.
    I'd say no, fwiw.
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    I could see UDP as an Alpha, but only as an INTj.
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    No way.
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    Even though I can understand him fairly well since we had private talks before, there isn't that sort of umm 'soul connection' (I know that sounds really lame but I don't know how else to put it) that I crave with people. There isn't any real emotion behind our interactions. I can't love him or hate him or even be indifferent to him. He's just... UDP. And getting to that point the 'he's just UDP'; the core of his core- I can't seem to really enjoy UDP for being UDP as much as I try (even though I know, we all need others to accept this about us).

    And in a way this is even more tiresome, because we both respect each other in a way where even though we might not really be excited about the core of a person, we wouldn't try to change each other. I think that would be equally frustrating, as at least with your conflictor you would hate each other so much you'd rant on and on about them.

    I feel in a way I'm being a bit cruel even. Jessica and all women bother me with all the 'I need a dangerous bad boy' thing, but UDP simply needs more edge I think. I really liked that one post he did about 'every person you will ever meet in college.' As that was done creatively. Now when I say edge I don't mean he has to be an asshole, but I just think... if I was friends with him, I would get him to talk about stuff that other people might be judging him for, cause I'm that cool. =p

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    there's no way he's beta lol...
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    there's no way he's beta lol...
    cool avi, nick.

    eh... I would say no, not especially same quadra. I see some similarities but i also feel different than him too. However.. I also feel different from Hugo... and I think he's my identical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by implied View Post
    fwiw, no, not at all.
    I thought you had no type? treason! *smacks whip*
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    Poor UDP, nobody wants him. He can be in my quadra.
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    Well, what's meant by "in your quadra" or "your dual"? Some sense of affinity? Or similarity? Or what?
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    I'm REALLY positive that UDP is an LSE.
    LSEs are just.............weird. I dunno, there's just something off about them.
    Anyway, I dated an LSE and it would be twilight zone creepy when I was chatting with both UDP and the LSE online. I mean, they'd literally be saying the exact same things.
    And also, since I didn't want to mess things up with this LSE, I'd often ask UDP to translate the LSE's point of view, which UDP always understood immediately.
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    IMO, unless and until you can be more specific about what "in your quadra" means, it's a pointless and useless question.
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    No offense or anything, but if you don't know what it means, you probably shouldn't be offering your opinion.

    It could be one of two things, I guess: a subjective feeling or impression of affinity, or lack thereof, OR your personal objective analysis about whether you think UDP values the elements you value or not.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    It could be one of two things, I guess: a subjective feeling or impression of affinity, or lack thereof, OR your personal objective analysis about whether you think UDP values the elements you value or not.
    The second is probably a lot closer than the first - I can feel an affinity for those in other quadras, but that doesn't mean they're necessarily in my quadra.
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    I'll address this specific question.
    Here's the thing.
    I think UDP is at an inherent disadvantage with having other Delta members claim him for the quadra. Here's why: I think it's easiest to see Mirrors and Identicals as in your quadra, but not Activity Partners or Duals. In fact, I often feel very dissimilar from Activity Partners and Duals when I first meet them, don't necessarily like them, and were I to have theorized my own groupings would probably not have included them with the Delta NFs.
    Ok, so that leaves the LSEs Mirror and Identicals to claim UDP.
    Identicals- there are like 2 other LSEs on the forum and they barely post so I doubt they'll respond to this thread.
    Mirrors- Let's face it, ISTPs just suck at reading people. No offense, but I've often seen them be oblivious to similarities and common ground with other people (even mirrors) just because of the person's mannerisms, clothes, or just because they're really confused by people.
    So, I think the question is valid but will produce an answer whose validity must be considered according to the specific factors at play.
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    the more i've watched udp the more LSE he seems. dunno though, maybe i think so because he thinks so? but he doesn't really bug me. and he likes eckhart tolle, infj, who i can't really bear to read. not for any length of time at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by implied View Post
    shared quadra values?
    That's still vague. But, oh, well. Whatever.

    Seriously speaking, I don't have too many major problems considering UDP as a Delta. In terms of duality, he seems to value my input. Going the other way, he doesn't really give me much of value, other than a person to talk about how my life is going. That said, it's probably harder for someone who is a caretaker of physical-type needs to translate that over the internet. Of course, I don't particularly care right now, so I may not be the best person to ask.

    @ Gilly - Perhaps it's not so much that I don't know what it means, but that I disagree with the approach?

    @ Elro & Ritella - Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting at. Subjective feelings of affinity may not be the best things to go off of in this case. Not irrelevant, but not to be depended on entirely, either.
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    I've got a question: Why do we care so much about UDP's type?

    I don't know what to say about feeling him as a dual or anything, since both the LSEs I know in real life are female. There really isn't much of a benchmark for comparison for me in terms of a dude ESTj (except maybe one of my ex-supervisors at UPS, whom really I don't see much in common at all with UDP, barring my mistyping of him). The two women, for example (and I'm positive my sup), wouldn't put much faith or weight on socionics for its systematic basis, or would be extremely sceptical in doing so, always waiting for it to bear out in their personal observations.

    Also, if it matters at all, voice wise UDP is very different, but all I have to peg that against is his stickam voice. Also (and maybe I don't understand Ni PoLR), but sometimes that's hard to say UDP has that, given some level of adeptness or desirability in discussing topics I would normally associate with an Ni-brand of thinking. Frankly though, these are just a few observations and I don't really care to lay down any judgements about where they lead. Nothing I've said really seems all that conclusive other than to say that UDP doesn't quite match up with what I think an LSE is, which would be bs if I said that he couldn't possibly be an LSE because of that.
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    I did for a while, but since he's identified himself to such as extent with his concept of LSE, not so much. Who knows. He's changed so much, and there's no way of knowing which behavior is more a more accurate representation of "him".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    @ Gilly - Perhaps it's not so much that I don't know what it means, but that I disagree with the approach?
    Then all I can really say is that you are obviously free to not participate
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    He's my activity relation... yes, delta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carla View Post
    I know. It's time to move on and interrogate someone else. I nominate ... JuJu.
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    Gilly, I always thought this was a futile exercise. The fact of the matter is that there are individuals from every quadra who dislike UDP (for whatever reason), and individuals from every quadra who are impartial to him (I don't think there are individuals from every quadra who like him).

    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    Poor UDP, nobody wants him. He can be in my quadra.
    I honestly think he'd be thrilled to hear that, Minde.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    I'm REALLY positive that UDP is an LSE.
    LSEs are just.............weird. I dunno, there's just something off about them.
    Good reasoning.

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    I know. It's time to move on and interrogate someone else. I nominate ... JuJu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    Yes. We must eliminate homosexuality from the ranks. It displaces the morale of the troops and causes great dissent in our minds.
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    UDP's a mystery. I don't think he's Beta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carla View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
    Sounds like someone has a crush!
    Ahh, you got me. Well, you gotta stick to your principles.



    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    Nope, they should stay in the kitchen where they belong. Perhaps follow along as light-skirts. But the front-lines? No, that's not the place for female delicacy.
    Yeah, and remember, women don't have personalities either. The next best thing was described ingeniously by David Van Patten in American Psycho:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    Ahh, you got me. Well, you gotta stick to your principles.

    lol, congrats for stickin to ur principles E.

    Why do few seem to believe that UDP is Delta? I've talked with him several times now, and to me, his type seems pretty clear.

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    JuJu it's possible that it's partly because you're Delta and are inclined to take most of what he says at face value that you believe that UDP is LSE (sorry if that seems accusative/belittling...). Maybe it would have helped you to see him before when he claimed LSI or LII as his types.

    Not that you should be paranoid or anything but, well...
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Maybe it would have helped you to see him before when he claimed LSI or LII as his types.
    Gilly has a point here, Justin. I think what a lot of people find so hard to stomach about LSE is the vehemence with which UDP was forcing LII as his genuine type, and then his - to what probably seemed to them - sudden switch to LSE (and UDP's equally veracious defence of LSE).
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    ...and immediately (read: conveniently) adopted interests and preferences related to Te, Si, Ne, and Fi...
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    I'll accept him!!!
    Lately he does remind me of my LSE friend, even though it feels a little forced and ... not natural....

    I didn't feel any LSE-vibes the first time I interacted with him. I had a very LSI-feeling. But as I said, I'll accept him. Everybody are welcome in my Quadra, for ever of if they just want to visit. (You might get kicked out by the SLIs, but until then: WELCOME! Be my guests!)
    No, let me accept him! He does remind me a lot of an SLE, even if it's forced or unnatural. I'll disregard the information laid out in front of me about UDP, and just accept him anyway.

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    UDP IS ISFP IMO

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    I can see him as my mirror from posts here to others and the occasional interaction I've had with him.

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    edited for change in opinion.
    Last edited by idolatrie; 09-15-2008 at 02:12 AM.
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    I just don't believe you. And UDP, regardless of the fact that he's not an Eight, is a prick, is pretentious, and an idiot, is certainly not an LSE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    I just don't believe you. And UDP, regardless of the fact that he's not an Eight, is a prick, is pretentious, and an idiot, is certainly not an LSE.
    What's wrong with you?

    Someone doesn't comply with your proclamations, and points out some bullshit you say, and you get all pissy and whiny about it?

    Boo hoo for you.
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