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    Default Negative stereotypes and bias against LSIs/ISTjs

    Many people seem to hate LSI's. You know, in this forum, everyone accuses each other to be a LSI. Most LSI descriptions say something like "LSI's are formalistic bureaucrats" or such.

    It's pretty much like LSI's were Nazis or KKKers. Everyone should hate Nazis, so everyone should hate LSI's. What the fuck !

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    Perhaps it stems from the number of IEE on this forum, but I do not think that there is too much of one. It is no worse than the "If you consistently disagree with -types, then you're most likely an IEI" mentality that has plagued this forum in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    in reality, noone even knows what an LSI is.
    They think "LSI", but they don't call it "LSI". Just imagine someone who's very narrow-minded and who shits his pants just because something doesn't fit his stupid bureaucratic rules. LSI is as easy to explain as shit (i.e. excrements).

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    I didn't detect anti-LSI airs about the forum... maybe I have been oblivious. I did say bad things about Dr. Phil though. I hope this wasn't interpretted as "anti-LSI". I did single him out among the other talk show hosts (I don't really like any of them) because he's more obnoxious. Dr. Phil tells them all how it is. It makes you want to fight him over it. Except he would win, even if he were wrong.

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    There's no such thing. And you're LSI. And Markuz will kick your butt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    [...] Everyone should hate Nazis, so everyone should hate LSI's.
    Hi, hater!

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    There's no such thing. And you're LSI. And Markuz will kick your butt.

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    I honestly don't see why people "hate" LSIs. I think they're truly pretty cool individuals. I mean, PotatoSpirit is da shiz, but when someone said something about people thinking LSIs aren't really a very cool type to be so no one wants to be one, I was thinking "what!?".

    Anyway, Sean Connery is an LSI, so how the fuck are LSIs not cool?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    I honestly don't see why people "hate" LSIs. I think they're truly pretty cool individuals. I mean, PotatoSpirit is da shiz, but when someone said something about people thinking LSIs aren't really a very cool type to be so no one wants to be one, I was thinking "what!?".
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    I like PotatoSpirit; he's the only LSI here, I'm guessing? I don't think I know any LSI's irl.

    I know that a lot of people assume Phaedrus and Hitta to be LSI, but I highly doubt that... I doubt they're Beta at all, actually.
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    LSI's own. End of. At least the ones I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    Sean Connery publicly made a joke about wife-beating while drunk on an obscure radio show in the late eighties or early nineties.

    He said that it was okay as long as it was open-fisted, or something like that. It prompted certain allegations and a controversy ensued.
    That actually sounds like something i'd say while joking with friends, but never in public...

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    I like PotatoSpirit; he's the only LSI here, I'm guessing? [...]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markuz View Post

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    Woah, totally missed your sig, haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    betas should be kept in zoos for children to stare and throw pop corn at.

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    LSIs are cool. Often very friendly people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina View Post
    LSIs are cool. Often very friendly people.
    what the fuck ?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    what the fuck ?!
    Why does this surprise you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
    Why does this surprise you?
    never mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    never mind
    Do you think she's just talking excrements (i.e. shit)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by force my hand View Post
    Do you think she's just talking excrements (i.e. shit)?
    Yeah. EIE's are shit. Betas are shit. Gammas are shit. Deltas are shit too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    actually they can be very friendly.
    I've met some friendly LSI's, but they're rather unfrequent.

    They're still more friendly than ILI's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    Yeah. EIE's are shit. Betas are shit. Gammas are shit. Deltas are shit too.
    get out of the toilet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wittmont View Post
    LSI's own. End of. At least the ones I know.


    its ok you dont have to fan their egos they'll do it themselves in sort of compensatory narcissistic fashion. they're self correcting and the fuckers live forever and they never run out of money. my advice...run away...
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    Yeh, I feel the negativity which is one of the reasons I don't post often.
    Despite taking things quite seriously most of the time, I see socionics as a tool for understanding behaviour rather than using it to dictate how a person 'is'. If things were that black and white typing people would be far more easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina View Post
    LSIs are cool. Often very friendly people.
    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    what the fuck ?!
    Well you aren't super friendly, but most of the other LSIs are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shakealittle View Post
    Yeh, I feel the negativity which is one of the reasons I don't post often.
    Despite taking things quite seriously most of the time, I see socionics as a tool for understanding behaviour rather than using it to dictate how a person 'is'. If things were that black and white typing people would be far more easier.
    but ooooooh black and white is so cool! Like really! Imagine if you can look at a person and say "asshole" "fun person" or "boooooring" at first glance! It would save tons of time and you could avoid all the assholes and the booooring people.

    /joking. World actually isn't black and white. awwwwww
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina View Post
    /joking. World actually isn't black and white. awwwwww
    The world _is_ black and white, but the pixels are very small and we mistake them for grays. Some Ti can clear it all up (c:
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    Sean Connery publicly made a joke about wife-beating while drunk on an obscure radio show in the late eighties or early nineties.

    He said that it was okay as long as it was open-fisted, or something like that. It prompted certain allegations and a controversy ensued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina View Post
    [...]Imagine if you can look at a person and say "asshole" "fun person" or "boooooring" at first glance! It would save tons of time and you could avoid all the assholes and the booooring people.
    I assume everyone does this to some degree or another and with varying degrees of accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PotatoSpirit View Post
    The world _is_ black and white, but the pixels are very small and we mistake them for grays. Some Ti can clear it all up (c:
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    Quote Originally Posted by lefty View Post
    ?
    what, you think there are _colors_? O_O
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    Quote Originally Posted by PotatoSpirit View Post
    what, you think there are _colors_? O_O
    lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by PotatoSpirit View Post
    what, you think there are _colors_? O_O


    its just a bizzare thing to think about
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    Default Are LSIs/ISTjs the most cruel of all the types?

    I cant find the quote right now, but I remember Smilingeyes saying that ISTjs were classified as being the most cruel of all the types on one of Dmitiri Lytov's lists.

    Do you feel this is true? In what ways are LSIs so cruel and how does this cruelty manifest itself. Im not trying to start a stupid topic of any sort so forgive me if this turns into a thread about alpha NTs flaming my dual but like I said I didnt make this up. Im interested in your thoughts.

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    Stalin was ISTj. Stalin was cruel.
    Quote Originally Posted by Traveler
    Interesting, but are ENFjs and ISTjs known as risky, dangerous types? How does delta strive for calmness?, though it does seem accurate the scenario of how a beta society would perceive a delta society.
    Quote Originally Posted by Smilingeyes
    Yes, ENFjs and ISTjs are certainly very risky types. Lytov has characterized ISTj as the most cruel of types. An ENFj friend of mine (married to an ISTj) calls ISTj activity power-tripping. I'd say that the ISTj is the type most likely to get into major conflicts.
    The ENFj OTOH is an ideological fanatic. Even a peaceful ideology, like that of Martin Luther King, can when forcefully advocated lead to significant unrest. ENFjs have a relatively high incidence of dying for their beliefs.
    One can reasonably dispute whether the INFp is a troublemaker. His role in quadra is to be an enabler to the other, more action-oriented betas. To think of his effect in a delta society, think of an old factory in which everything is routine and people just arrive to get their pay-checks. The workforce is loyal but unmotivated and keeps the management in check by strikes. The INFp would suck up to the management and urge them to use their power and force their innovative new ideas to change the factory. This might or might not be good for the society, but the delta factory workers would hate it and they'd hate the INFp.

    Again, as to the second question... The deltas ISTp and ESTj strive for Si which many consider almost synonymous with physical comfort. This should be easy to see as being a "calm" state. As for ENFp and INFj their requirements seem to be more of freedom of thought, a sort of ivory tower in which to dream up innovations or creations of art. This too is a sort of secluded and "calm" state.
    Quote Originally Posted by Smilingeyes
    In a social situation the ISTj will take charge even when they have no cause and try to dominate people.

    The ESTj will wait for a seemingly appropriate time, say their piece and get the fuck out.

    The ESTj is more likely to show they want to kick your ass, but they will rarely do it, they growl but they don't bite much. The ISTj is more likely to actually kick your ass, but they'll appear almost happy when doing this and be proud of this achievement. They'll surprise you with this.

    The ESTj is more likely to be met when under a great deal of stress, when he's actually relaxed, he'll be sleeping in his bed. The ISTj is collected and seemingly in his own area of comfort even under the most stressful conditions.

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    Thank you Tuturututu. Thats the quote I was looking for:

    Originally Posted by Smilingeyes
    Yes, ENFjs and ISTjs are certainly very risky types. Lytov has characterized ISTj as the most cruel of types. An ENFj friend of mine (married to an ISTj) calls ISTj activity power-tripping. I'd say that the ISTj is the type most likely to get into major conflicts.
    The ENFj OTOH is an ideological fanatic. Even a peaceful ideology, like that of Martin Luther King, can when forcefully advocated lead to significant unrest. ENFjs have a relatively high incidence of dying for their beliefs.
    One can reasonably dispute whether the INFp is a troublemaker. His role in quadra is to be an enabler to the other, more action-oriented betas. To think of his effect in a delta society, think of an old factory in which everything is routine and people just arrive to get their pay-checks. The workforce is loyal but unmotivated and keeps the management in check by strikes. The INFp would suck up to the management and urge them to use their power and force their innovative new ideas to change the factory. This might or might not be good for the society, but the delta factory workers would hate it and they'd hate the INFp.

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    yeah thats utter bullshit.

    ISTj's are not anymore cruel than any other type for chrissakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    yeah thats utter bullshit.

    ISTj's are not anymore cruel than any other type for chrissakes.
    First thing you've written in awhile that's 100% true.

    ISTj "cruel" is sorta like Bea Arthur (an ISTj, btw) on he Golden Girls... She put those biatches in their places... Esp. that Golden Girl who was a whore.

    Every type--and every person, even the most enlightened--can be cruel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post
    ISTj "cruel" is sorta like Bea Arthur (an ISTj, btw) on he Golden Girls... She put those biatches in their places... Esp. that Golden Girl who was a whore.
    Watching the Golden Girls is cruel and unnatural. Right up there with what an ISTj would do to you.
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    LSIs, SLEs and EIEs all have to be cruel to protect the IEI from harsh realities so we can empower people and do our thang.

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    I've known a few LSI's who seem to get a kick out of pushing people around that they see as in a probable weaker position than them and also to put the boot into others even when they are down to assert what they see as their need to be (seen?) as more... important than them, or dominance over their person. It seems to me something which is more specific to LSI's than other types. I'd say that this is cruel.

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    If I remember correctly, the context of Lytov's remark was a discussion on the type of Lynndie England - the woman soldier in the Abu Ghraib pictures. He suggested ISTj, and added that ISTj is the most cruel of types (or at least "one of the most cruel").
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