Intuition vs Sensing

[Raver]

Which person overall is more intelligent? I hate having to say that one person is better than another, but what if that is the case? Being intuitive means that you have a biological computer in your head that works things out for you and can work on very complex abstract tasks. Being a sensing person makes you able to work on simple detailed tasks, but also able to do more complex as long as they don't get too abstract. I heard the reason there's so many sensing people is because not much would get down without them, what do you make of all this?

At first insight I would say the intuitive person is smarter, however I feel that I could be very wrong and that I'm interpreting the situation wrong?

[FDG]

Generally, intuitives are perceived as smarter than sensors, given the widespread meaning of the word "smart" - which is not necessarily equal to "Intelligent".

[ILENTp]

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[Creepy-]

The weird thing is, society perceives sensing people to be smarter due to the fact that they can memorize endless facts and be able to concentrate on any task on hand.

Though, I think you guys are right about the types just being different, though equal in intelligence.

Intelligence has little to do with type and has to do with other factors, or does personality type have a factor in intelligence?

[Raver]

I did above post.

[FDG]

There are many kinds of intelligence. Spatial, verbal, abstract, emotional, social etc.. And as FDG says, the word 'smart' is very ambiguous.

I don't think it's ambguous.

It has an accepted meaning in common everyday language - which is what the pool refers to.

Given this meaning, yes, intuitives are on average smarter.

However, this does not necessarily correlate intuitivness with intelligence - although I'm sure there is a correlation between N and score on standardized IQ tests, even though I have no data to prove my conjecture.

[ILENTp]

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[Creepy-]

A person who finds practical solutions; fixes motors, pipes etc.. The type of person would never paint himself into a corner (if painting the floor), could be considered smart. He has smart solutions to practical problems.

(Please don't be offended by my stereotypical description of a sensor.)

Yes that is true, a sensing person tends to be good at fixing things. They're also good at completing tasks with ease without getting distracted.

However an intuitive person can solve a seemingly impossible problem by using their intuition properly and experimenting with several ideas and it usually works.

[ILENTp]

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[Raver]

What about a person with a strong or , wouldn't this person be considered intelligent due to the fact that their strong thinking skills helps them use use any tool efficiently, solve problems and create things logically.

[Rocky]

LOL@ this entire thread.


BTW, sensors space out as much as intuitives do.

[FDG]

A person who finds practical solutions; fixes motors, pipes etc.. The type of person would never paint himself into a corner (if painting the floor), could be considered smart. He has smart solutions to practical problems.

(Please don't be offended by my stereotypical description of a sensor.)

Think about what people think as "smart".

It's not a mechanic.

[FDG]

Ok, take as an example. People who know which buttons to push and which contacts they need are considered smart. Knowin how to get other people to do stuff is considered smart.

No way.

You're just stretching your Ne.

[ILENTp]

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[Raver]

Hehe, ok here's an analogy.

If intelligence is the speed of the processor in a computer. Sensing and intuition is just a matter of which programs you run on the computer.

I like this metaphor, it explains it pretty well. I see it more as not which programs, but what platform is run, whether it be Windows 98 or Spheres? You get the picture?

I feel that and parts of the computer deal with running advanced programs and and makes sure they correspond well with the computer to run efficiently. Heh, I hope that makes sense.

[ILENTp]

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[FDG]

Hehe, ok here's an analogy.

If intelligence is the speed of the processor in a computer. Sensing and intuition is just a matter of which programs you run on the computer.

Exactly.

But what do you think will be perceived as "smart"; MatLab or AdobePhotoshop?

[ILENTp]

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[Eidos]

Hehe, ok here's an analogy.

If intelligence is the speed of the processor in a computer. Sensing and intuition is just a matter of which programs you run on the computer.

N operating system = Has drivers for lots of technologies, even the ones that don't exist... And implements lines of codes that aren't useful yet but might be useful someday. Suffice to say this system crashes alot

S operating system = Robust, stable, does what it's supposed to do, but slower in implementing change because it only accepts WHQL certified drivers

(P operating system = Multitask, but task completion depends on the number of parralel processes running.

J operating system = Singletask and has the annoying habit to insist on scanning your pc for viruses every week at the same day and time.)

[Rocky]

However, this does not necessarily correlate intuitivness with intelligence - although I'm sure there is a correlation between N and score on standardized IQ tests, even though I have no data to prove my conjecture.

Oh, and I just remebered... socionic tests have the ISFj as scoring with the highest IQ.

S operating system = Robust, stable, does what it's supposed to do, but slower in implementing change because it only accepts WHQL certified drivers

Fuck you, I'm not gonna do what you want me to do!

[Eidos]

S operating system = Robust, stable, does what it's supposed to do, but slower in implementing change because it only accepts WHQL certified drivers

Fuck you, I'm not gonna do what you want me to do!

That sounds like a Rage Against the Machine song... Zack de la Rocha, ISTP?

[ILENTp]

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[Eidos]

The analogy wasn't meant to be taken that literally. When you start to get technical it doesn't apply anymore (like with intuition).

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[FDG]

However, this does not necessarily correlate intuitivness with intelligence - although I'm sure there is a correlation between N and score on standardized IQ tests, even though I have no data to prove my conjecture.

Oh, and I just remebered... socionic tests have the ISFj as scoring with the highest IQ.

This means nothing.

First of all, give me the link of the pages.

Second, one sensing type scoring with the highest IQ doesn not imply that Ns don't have, on average, higher scores, since there are 16 types.

[FDG]

S operating system = Robust, stable, does what it's supposed to do, but slower in implementing change because it only accepts WHQL certified drivers

Fuck you, I'm not gonna do what you want me to do!

Exactly because you already do it! It's recursive!

[ILENTp]

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[Creepy-]

My answer is none of the above. I don't think S or N has anything to do with "smarts", nor are they equal.

Think about what people think as "smart".

It's not a mechanic.

An N person could make a very good mechanic actually. My husband (ENTp) was amzing at anything mechanical. He could see how it worked in his head, and then know exactly how to fix it. It was fun watching him build computers and stuff, and he had topographic maps in his head, from what he did for a job and the guy he worked for said he'd never met anyone who had such capabilities to understand the possibilities and workings of things. He had these maps, tied in with the well locations and a whole access database, and wow, I wish I could explain it, very complex and amazing. He always said his dream job would be an idea-man, just coming up with new ideas, inventions, possibilities for things, he was extremely good at this. And, so was my grandpa. My dad has said that if they had ever met, it'd be non-stop ideas, and neither of them would ever stop. My grandpa was a tool-designer for Douglas Aircraft, but also worked as a gardener on the side. He was in high demand because he really knew his plants, very well, above and beyond what most did. They moved to CO and he became a farmer, and then later to TX where he became the head of the paint crew at a local college. So, even though his job was painting, that doesn't mean he wasn't extremely smart. And my dad is a carpenter, but I've never met anyone who understands physics like he does, or most science and history. He taught science and history for awhile, took every single class offered in both subjects when he was in college, but got his degree in theology. And my grandma, was an artist, you'd think sensory right, but she was also a mathematical genius, arriving at answers to complex problems, just by knowing the answer not having to even work it out. Her abilities scared her, so she never did anything to develop them any further.

Point is, people have different talents and abilities and "smarts" are not tied to type.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[FDG]

My answer is none of the above. I don't think S or N has anything to do with "smarts", nor are they equal.

Think about what people think as "smart".

It's not a mechanic.

An N person could make a very good mechanic actually. My husband (ENTp) was amzing at anything mechanical. He could see how it worked in his head, and then know exactly how to fix it. It was fun watching him build computers and stuff, and he had topographic maps in his head, from what he did for a job and the guy he worked for said he'd never met anyone who had such capabilities to understand the possibilities and workings of things. He had these maps, tied in with the well locations and a whole access database, and wow, I wish I could explain it, very complex and amazing. He always said his dream job would be an idea-man, just coming up with new ideas, inventions, possibilities for things, he was extremely good at this. And, so was my grandpa. My dad has said that if they had ever met, it'd be non-stop ideas, and neither of them would ever stop. My grandpa was a tool-designer for Douglas Aircraft, but also worked as a gardener on the side. He was in high demand because he really knew his plants, very well, above and beyond what most did. They moved to CO and he became a farmer, and then later to TX where he became the head of the paint crew at a local college. So, even though his job was painting, that doesn't mean he wasn't extremely smart. And my dad is a carpenter, but I've never met anyone who understands physics like he does, or most science and history. He taught science and history for awhile, took every single class offered in both subjects when he was in college, but got his degree in theology. And my grandma, was an artist, you'd think sensory right, but she was also a mathematical genius, arriving at answers to complex problems, just by knowing the answer not having to even work it out. Her abilities scared her, so she never did anything to develop them any further.

Point is, people have different talents and abilities and "smarts" are not tied to type.

Well, you're speaking of people that have various abilities.

My post speaks about a mechanic; and moreover it's a reply that you've taken out of context.

However, your family sounds like a great one! You have not stated their types, though. They might very well be all Ns.

[tempus]

If I were to define intelligence I would define it as "the capacity to learn." If the functions are indeed "cognitve processes" as I believe one website calls them, then in terms of socionics, intelligence could be defined as the capacity to perceive and interpret information. Sensing and intuition are both valid ways of perceiving information. The way in which one perceives information really says nothing about their capacity for perceiving information. On average, sensors and intuitives are probably equally intelligent but I guess how manifest that intelligence would be depends on what sort of envirnoment they are placed in. For example, in a culture, place, or setting that values sensing, intuitives might come off as less intelligent and vice-versa. Maybe. I don't know about this for sure; I'm just trying to think of reasons for the existance of a thread such as this one. America is supposedly an ENTj culture, isn't it?

[tcaudilllg]

If I were to define intelligence I would define it as "the capacity to learn." If the functions are indeed "cognitve processes" as I believe one website calls them, then in terms of socionics, intelligence could be defined as the capacity to perceive and interpret information. Sensing and intuition are both valid ways of perceiving information. The way in which one perceives information really says nothing about their capacity for perceiving information. On average, sensors and intuitives are probably equally intelligent but I guess how manifest that intelligence would be depends on what sort of envirnoment they are placed in. For example, in a culture, place, or setting that values sensing, intuitives might come off as less intelligent and vice-versa. Maybe. I don't know about this for sure; I'm just trying to think of reasons for the existance of a thread such as this one. America is supposedly an ENTj culture, isn't it?

A democracy's culture reflects its leader. Nowadays, you've gotta "network" to be employed anywhere. Was "networking" essential, or even helpful, under Clinton? Not really. ESTps are the best at networking people together, because they are apt to use people for specific social functions. I remember an ESTp I met in a computer class, who I helped out a lot, telling me that whether or not we could be friends depended on if he could fit me into his network....

I really have no apetite for networking, and the ENTJs I know are more interested in putting people into heiarchies than networks. I think networking is an ESTp-related craze, and I suspect it will die down after Bush leaves office, just as the random hiring craze of the 90s did after Clinton left.

The president controls law enforcement, and by proxy the national superego. "In" trends mirror the president's personality, and the face of popular rebellion is that which the president detests. Basically, the president shapes the flow of our lives.

[mike_INTJ]

Which person overall is more intelligent? I hate having to say that one person is better than another, but what if that is the case? Being intuitive means that you have a biological computer in your head that works things out for you and can work on very complex abstract tasks. Being a sensing person makes you able to work on simple detailed tasks, but also able to do more complex as long as they don't get too abstract. I heard the reason there's so many sensing people is because not much would get down without them, what do you make of all this?

At first insight I would say the intuitive person is smarter, however I feel that I could be very wrong and that I'm interpreting the situation wrong?

i don't think it's about intelligence. you need to know something before intuition kicks in. i have both pretty equally. i can focus on things that are step by step to the letter of the law, in fine detailed ways. and at the same time i can abstract new information of why something doesn't work, or how something should go together long after the instructions were lost.

neither is more intelligent, i think it's how you use the skill. on the outside intuitive people seem smarter because they got the answer quickly without thinking that much. they simply know what needs to be done and when. sensing might seem smarter because you might be able to remember a list in the proper order. i don't have the best examples, since i may do them automatically.

it's better that there are a small amout of dreamers, we wouldn't get anything done. it might be a fun society, but maybe not as productive. it would be like living with all artists. not that it's a bad thing, but...

[Kirana]

come on! define intelligence first. i refuse to vote until 'intelligence' is defined for the purposes of this vote.

[Creepy-]

neither is more intelligent, i think it's how you use the skill. on the outside intuitive people seem smarter because they got the answer quickly without thinking that much. they simply know what needs to be done and when. sensing might seem smarter because you might be able to remember a list in the proper order. i don't have the best examples, since i may do them automatically.

As you state, ON THE OUTSIDE intuitive people seem smarter, and since it's only the outside that counts in defining a set of behaviour associated to the word "smart", intuitives are smarter.

[mike_INTJ]

neither is more intelligent, i think it's how you use the skill. on the outside intuitive people seem smarter because they got the answer quickly without thinking that much. they simply know what needs to be done and when. sensing might seem smarter because you might be able to remember a list in the proper order. i don't have the best examples, since i may do them automatically.

As you state, ON THE OUTSIDE intuitive people seem smarter, and since it's only the outside that counts in defining a set of behaviour associated to the word "smart", intuitives are smarter.

false conclusion. i know people that have a very strong intuitive factor - yet are so totally stupid when it comes to other things - it's really pathetic. just because you have the tools, doesn't mean you know how to use it.

[FDG]

neither is more intelligent, i think it's how you use the skill. on the outside intuitive people seem smarter because they got the answer quickly without thinking that much. they simply know what needs to be done and when. sensing might seem smarter because you might be able to remember a list in the proper order. i don't have the best examples, since i may do them automatically.

As you state, ON THE OUTSIDE intuitive people seem smarter, and since it's only the outside that counts in defining a set of behaviour associated to the word "smart", intuitives are smarter.

false conclusion. i know people that have a very strong intuitive factor - yet are so totally stupid when it comes to other things - it's really pathetic. just because you have the tools, doesn't mean you know how to use it.

"I know people".

Are these people the majority of Ns? No.

[mike_INTJ]

neither is more intelligent, i think it's how you use the skill. on the outside intuitive people seem smarter because they got the answer quickly without thinking that much. they simply know what needs to be done and when. sensing might seem smarter because you might be able to remember a list in the proper order. i don't have the best examples, since i may do them automatically.

As you state, ON THE OUTSIDE intuitive people seem smarter, and since it's only the outside that counts in defining a set of behaviour associated to the word "smart", intuitives are smarter.

false conclusion. i know people that have a very strong intuitive factor - yet are so totally stupid when it comes to other things - it's really pathetic. just because you have the tools, doesn't mean you know how to use it.

"I know people".

Are these people the majority of Ns? No.

are you saying your intuition is so strong that it can read my mind? because it ain't that strong.