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    Indulge me.

    These are two pictures of a guy I've known for years:








    He agreed to let me post them here for a while.

    I do have a very strong opinion on his type, based on knowing him.

    Based on VI alone, which types would you suggest for him?
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
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    The pictures are of poor quality. I have an opinion on what the possible and impossible types are, but it is irritating that you can't V.I. him properly. The pictures should be as in the second photo where we can see him up front, but we should be able to see as much as possible of his facial structure, and that is much easier if he is closer to the camera. And it is better if he doesn't smile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    The pictures are of poor quality. I have an opinion on what the possible and impossible types are, but it is irritating that you can't V.I. him properly. The pictures should be as in the second photo where we can see him up front, but we should be able to see as much as possible of his facial structure, and that is much easier if he is closer to the camera. And it is better if he doesn't smile.
    the only thing I'd like to add to this is that he should be wearing a cowboy hat and holding a puppy... preferably a cute one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionicgoat View Post
    the only thing I'd like to add to this is that he should be wearing a cowboy hat and holding a puppy... preferably a cute one.
    No. That would make the V.I. more difficult.

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    ENTp?
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    ESE.

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    INTp

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    EII; complete guess.

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    Judging by the lack of agreement here, I'd say either most people suck at VI or VI itself sucks. (deep thought of the day)

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbsirena06 View Post
    Judging by the lack of agreement here, I'd say either most people suck at VI or VI itself sucks. (deep thought of the day)
    wow. you're so profound. Damn you stop making me so introspective!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    wow. you're so profound. Damn you stop making me so introspective!
    I do what I can! Don't get used to it or I'll have to start charging.

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    I was thinking Gamma SF for some reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qbsirena06 View Post
    I do what I can! Don't get used to it or I'll have to start charging.
    lol... And *now* you're starting to sound like Mr. DP

    Man he goes through me like a train and he's still looking to empty my wallet. Geeee :rollseyes: Infact no different from women then eh (j/k!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    lol... And *now* you're starting to sound like Mr. DP

    Man he goes through me like a train and he's still looking to empty my wallet. Geeee :rollseyes: Infact no different from women then eh (j/k!)
    HAHAHAHA! Sucks for you dude. I get it for free. (last post, don't wanna ruin Expat's thread)

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbsirena06 View Post
    HAHAHAHA! Sucks for you dude. I get it for free. (last post, don't wanna ruin Expat's thread)
    yeah I was thinking that too. Sorry Expat. Yeah, um VI, um yeah um haha I don't know what your friends type is from the photos sorry. Not comfortable enough to pupport a guess on tis 1 dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    Based on VI alone, which types would you suggest for him?
    INTj, INTp, ISFj, and INFj

    (probably not beta, although INFp could be a slight possibility, I'm thinkin.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    Based on VI alone, which types would you suggest for him?
    ENTp. (and maybe ESFp)
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    the fact that a lot of poeple cant agree from two pictures doesn't mean that VI sucks. VI is more than a single frame.

    On first glance, he strikes me as a "soft" person. He does not appeart to me to have Ti in the ego block. my first impression, which is not strong, but the strongest I had was ISFp or ISFj. The more I look at it ENFj looked possible, so I'm guessing it's ISFj and not ISFp if I take these impressions together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    I have no real knowledge of VI (never read about it), but I always get "vibes" when seeing people, and he gives me a vibe I recognize. Talkative, very talkative, I'd say. Maybe loud. Social. Funny. LIE, I think.
    He's social and can be very funny, but not so loud. But I wouldn't associate that primarily to LIE.


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    ENTp?
    Quote Originally Posted by DeAnte View Post
    ESE.
    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    INTp
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    EII; complete guess.
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    I was thinking Gamma SF for some reason.
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    INTj, INTp, ISFj, and INFj

    (probably not beta, although INFp could be a slight possibility, I'm thinkin.)
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    ENTp. (and maybe ESFp)
    Not sure what each of you is looking at. Are you all comparing him to other people you know, or are you trying to get a feel for the kind of person he is? Or analyzing specific features?

    I can add that the two pictures pretty much reflect how he is IRL. I mean, it's not as if he's a sullen or aggressive guy who made an effort to appear differently in the picture.
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
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    I want to say Delta NF...

    His eyes, and smile distinctly remind me of Eckhart Tolle, who I've typed as INFj.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    Are you all comparing him to other people you know, or are you trying to get a feel for the kind of person he is? Or analyzing specific features?

    I can add that the two pictures pretty much reflect how he is IRL. I mean, it's not as if he's a sullen or aggressive guy who made an effort to appear differently in the picture.
    yeah, i try to get a sense of movement from poses in pictures, so if you say it's how he normally looks it's more helpful. Also it makes a difference how he appears if he has known you for years, to me.. if he a type I would normally not type as relaxed.

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    I don't find any comparison points from the people I know. Thus I cannot really say.

    Anyways he doesn't look ego type unless he is Fi-ISFj.

    Some Fi-quadra type I guess because he is your dear friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XoX View Post

    Anyways he doesn't look ego type unless he is Fi-ISFj.
    Yeah, I was surprised that he could be seen as ego.


    Quote Originally Posted by XoX View Post
    Some Fi-quadra type I guess because he is your dear friend.
    I have been good friends with an ISTj guy longer than with him; and I had an ESFj girlfriend for 2 years. So, not necessarily.
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    i would guess intp
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    Ahaha ok I wasn't going by VI, I thought he was your brother for some reason (c:

    I'm gonna say INFj then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PotatoSpirit View Post
    Ahaha ok I wasn't going by VI, I thought he was your brother for some reason (c:

    I'm gonna say INFj then.
    The point of this thread was precisely to test VI as such, and you don't go by VI?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    The point of this thread was precisely to test VI as such, and you don't go by VI?
    Precisely, don't you mean testing posters VI skills on one example ie one person two pictures?

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    The second photo reminded me eerily of a combination between myself and you, Expat. His eyes in particular remind me of myself:




    ...but the expression is more like yours, I think. His nose reminded me instantly of Edward Furlong, who I think is probably Beta NF, but that's probably an inconsequential detail.

    Anyway, my only positive would be Ethical (mostly from the first picture). Probably intuitive, introvert>extrovert somehow....I'm going with IEI>EII>EIE>IEE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    I want to say Delta NF...

    His eyes, and smile distinctly remind me of Eckhart Tolle, who I've typed as INFj.


    Here, I found a picture of Tolle where I think his smile looks very similar to the second picture Expat posted.

    Anyone else see the similarities? They both have the same kind of quiet, warm, wise smile; kind of a similar facial muscle movement also.
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    Wow, he does look like Tolle...maybe I should switch to EII>IEI
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Tolle is certainly INFx at the least; EII was a pretty strong consensus when we looked at videos of him and Oprah, a probable EIE.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    ENFP.

    i don't know why, but the first picture, in particular, just seems very ENFP to me. Everyone has a pensive look, but there's something subtley different about it in each type...
    I sort of just wish I could get a zoom in on pic #1, and also know what was happening around him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    The second photo reminded me eerily of a combination between myself and you, Expat. His eyes in particular remind me of myself:




    ...but the expression is more like yours, I think. His nose reminded me instantly of Edward Furlong, who I think is probably Beta NF, but that's probably an inconsequential detail.

    Anyway, my only positive would be Ethical (mostly from the first picture). Probably intuitive, introvert>extrovert somehow....I'm going with IEI>EII>EIE>IEE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    Oh... I suck at Socionics, then.
    no. tolle's type was never agreed upon, we could all be wrong, and it's just one case.

    I do remember reading somewhere that social and extro is not the same,
    i think i know what you mean about social and extro/intro. Rick has an article on it somewhere. If you mean how "social" people are isn't necc. correlated to introversion/extroversion, then, i would agree.


    so I should probably go back to studying before typing people.
    this is silly. no reason to assume that you can't make a significant contribution. who knows how much other people know, anyway? this isn't surgery- there are no claims of expertise, objective measures of knowledge, or considerable damage if you make a mistake.
    it's people's own prerogative how seriously they take your comments.
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    I wanted to say EII immediately, because he reminded me quite a bit of myself on a very superficial level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    The point of this thread was precisely to test VI as such, and you don't go by VI?
    :-P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Here, I found a picture of Tolle where I think his smile looks very similar to the second picture Expat posted.

    Anyone else see the similarities? They both have the same kind of quiet, warm, wise smile; kind of a similar facial muscle movement also.
    Yes, I agree. Very good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    I do remember reading somewhere that social and extro is not the same, so I should probably go back to studying before typing people. I'll just describe personalities by the way they make me feel from now on, and not by any letters...
    In socionics, you can perfectly be an introtim and "social", and be an extrotim and not particularly "social".

    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
    I wanted to say EII immediately, because he reminded me quite a bit of myself on a very superficial level.
    @ Esper: I think the second picture is a more accurate representation of his personality.

    Right.

    His type is indeed EII, as quite a few have suggested, including the Delta NF votes. Of course you'll have to trust my typing for the purposes of VI validation.
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    Is the guy an early bird by natural temperament?

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    Before reading the answer, I'd have said some sort of intuitive of the Ne/Si valuing kind - EII or ILE were what popped into my head first. But he doesn't have the same mischief in his look that I'd expect from ILE. More of a... quiet, internal humor, if that makes sense.

    Is this the one who is married to a Gamma?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    I don't say I'm not entitled to have an opinion. I just haven't understood the Socionics types yet, so I will stick to descriptive evaluation instead of the letters until I know more Socionics and VI theory. Actually I trust my gut feeling a lot, so I'm definitely going to say what I think someone's personality is like, but without putting letters. It's a lot of fun to try and type people only by pictures!
    I agree with your approach. And, even after reading a lot about the terms and what they should mean, I still find my instincts (when they are attentive) work just as well, even better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    Is this the one who is married to a Gamma?
    No, he's married to a SEI. Benefit.
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