Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 40 of 68

Thread: ILEs-ENTps: what does independence mean to you?

  1. #1
    ~~rubicon~~ Rubicon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Chatbox
    TIM
    SEI, 9
    Posts
    5,268
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default ILEs-ENTps: what does independence mean to you?

    Just wondering, because SEIs (yes, I am speaking for SEIs the world over) like their independence and don't like feeling like they're suffocated in relationships.

    What about you, duals? What does independence mean to you? How important is it to you that you have your own space?
    "Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."

  2. #2
    I had words here once, but I didn't feed them Khola's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    TIM
    ESE
    Posts
    3,535
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Also curious!! Hey Jem, what are you up to after btw? I'm gonna be in Melb city maxin and relaxin in liek 10 mins
    Hello, my name is Bee. Pleased to meet you .



  3. #3
    ~~rubicon~~ Rubicon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Chatbox
    TIM
    SEI, 9
    Posts
    5,268
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by bee View Post
    Also curious!! Hey Jem, what are you up to after btw? I'm gonna be in Melb city maxin and relaxin in liek 10 mins
    I was gonna practice. I've got my exam recital on tomorrow. What about next week some time?
    "Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."

  4. #4
    <something> Wynch's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    On a Hill
    TIM
    ILE
    Posts
    3,910
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I'm pretty fiercely independent myself. I can't stand it when something impedes my sense of freedom.
    ILE
    7w8 so/sp

    Very busy with work. Only kind of around.

  5. #5
    Blaze's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    5,725
    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    i'm extremely independent also. most times it's a good thing, but occasionally i will not listen to anybody else and sometimes i'm a little bit too much on the fringe.

    ILE

    those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often

  6. #6
    Suomea's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    TIM
    ILE-Ti
    Posts
    1,054
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    ...
    Last edited by Suomea; 09-27-2008 at 11:41 PM.
    Suomea

  7. #7
    Your DNA is mine. Mediator Kam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Wisconsin
    TIM
    SEI
    Posts
    4,481
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    A lot of my pain is linked to independence-related struggles. heheh, if only I liked to drive.
    D-SEI 9w1

    This is me and my dual being scientific together

  8. #8
    <something> Wynch's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    On a Hill
    TIM
    ILE
    Posts
    3,910
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Suomea View Post
    Depends what you mean by suffocating. In terms of my current relationship it goes through periods of intense time intake where we'll spend most of our time together for a few days.... normally a weekend. Then after a couple of days I'll start to feel comfortable in the relationship and slightly uncomfortable with how much time we spend together and I'll go off on my way. We'll enter a sort of "minimal relationship care mode" where I'll go off on my own and do lots of odd stuff... Then after 2-5 days I'll realize I really want to spend time with her and need her and we'll spend another few days together. Her feelings stay relatively constant the whole time which is nice (or at least so I think), and while mine can vary quite a bit overall, I think we make a good fit.

    I don't think many people would want to be in a relationship like this but it seems to work for us, and for me at least.

    By the way this just sounds a lot more like an anxious-ambivalent or avoidant attachment style more than anything having to do with socionics..... might be tempered by a Fi POLR and Fe hidden agenda though possibly. I have no clue.
    I have a feeling my relationships would be a lot like this out of necessity. Too much time with one person would drive me nuts.
    ILE
    7w8 so/sp

    Very busy with work. Only kind of around.

  9. #9
    expired Lotus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    TIM
    Se/Ni sx/sp
    Posts
    4,494
    Mentioned
    99 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    No. I am clingy, constricting, controlling, and suffocating. I like you tied to me at all times. You will like it.
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

  10. #10
    xyz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    7,709
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    No. I am clingy, constricting, controlling, and suffocating. I like you tied to me at all times. You will like it.
    "Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."

    - Voltaire

  11. #11
    <something> Wynch's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    On a Hill
    TIM
    ILE
    Posts
    3,910
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Geez, that picture made me lol in my office...
    ILE
    7w8 so/sp

    Very busy with work. Only kind of around.

  12. #12
    expired Lotus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    TIM
    Se/Ni sx/sp
    Posts
    4,494
    Mentioned
    99 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    You think I'm kidding.
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

  13. #13
    xyz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    7,709
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    You think I'm kidding.
    Good thing certain types are hard to catch eh?

    @Vero:
    "Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."

    - Voltaire

  14. #14
    Your DNA is mine. Mediator Kam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Wisconsin
    TIM
    SEI
    Posts
    4,481
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Allie
    You think I'm kidding.


  15. #15
    expired Lotus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    TIM
    Se/Ni sx/sp
    Posts
    4,494
    Mentioned
    99 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    This is no fun. You think I'm serious.
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

  16. #16
    xyz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    7,709
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    This is no fun. You think I'm serious.
    Cmon. You know I always think you're fulla shit.
    "Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."

    - Voltaire

  17. #17
    expired Lotus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    TIM
    Se/Ni sx/sp
    Posts
    4,494
    Mentioned
    99 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Luis is always the biggest asshole in the room.
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

  18. #18
    <something> Wynch's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    On a Hill
    TIM
    ILE
    Posts
    3,910
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    There are days when it amazes me that I'm theoretically supposed to dualize with one of you folks.
    Last edited by Wynch; 06-26-2008 at 09:47 PM.
    ILE
    7w8 so/sp

    Very busy with work. Only kind of around.

  19. #19
    xyz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    7,709
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    There are days when it amazes me that I'm theoretically supposed to dualize with one of you folks.
    Geez, that made ME lol in the office..
    "Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."

    - Voltaire

  20. #20
    Your DNA is mine. Mediator Kam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Wisconsin
    TIM
    SEI
    Posts
    4,481
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    There are days when it amazes me that I'm theoretically supposed to dualize with one of you folks.
    I will say that I probably not have any music in my car xD. I like music too much.
    D-SEI 9w1

    This is me and my dual being scientific together

  21. #21
    expired Lotus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    TIM
    Se/Ni sx/sp
    Posts
    4,494
    Mentioned
    99 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I WANNA MAKE VIOLENT LOVE TO YOU
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

  22. #22
    Your DNA is mine. Mediator Kam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Wisconsin
    TIM
    SEI
    Posts
    4,481
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    I WANNA MAKE VIOLENT LOVE TO YOU
    You are so HA Allie, I have no idea how you could be anything else.
    D-SEI 9w1

    This is me and my dual being scientific together

  23. #23
    expired Lotus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    TIM
    Se/Ni sx/sp
    Posts
    4,494
    Mentioned
    99 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kamangir View Post
    You are so HA Allie, I have no idea how you could be anything else.
    It's a song, silly. I thought we were discussing music???
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

  24. #24
    expired Lotus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    TIM
    Se/Ni sx/sp
    Posts
    4,494
    Mentioned
    99 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    There are days when it amazes me that I'm theoretically supposed to dualize with one of you folks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kamangir View Post
    You are so HA Allie, I have no idea how you could be anything else.
    DUH DUH DUH.....

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    Wow, my attempt at sarcasm only resulted in an excuse for you to patronize me.

    I'll stop attempting it then. Thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    It's a song, silly. I thought we were discussing music???

    LOL@ two dual misinterpretations at once!
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

  25. #25
    xyz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    7,709
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    You alphas really need to fucking get a grip.
    "Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."

    - Voltaire

  26. #26
    xyz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    7,709
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    Don't fuck with me Luis, I've got an AK47 and I don't know how to use it...
    I could teach you.
    "Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."

    - Voltaire

  27. #27
    expired Lotus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    TIM
    Se/Ni sx/sp
    Posts
    4,494
    Mentioned
    99 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Please don't. She has way too much raw hate for anyone to give her a way to harness it.
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

  28. #28
    xyz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    7,709
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    Please don't. She has way too much raw hate for anyone to give her a way to harness it.
    hate?? Really dolphin? Let me cheer you up buddy. Something we can both hate


    I do not like them in a box.
    I do not like them with a fox.
    I do not like them in a house.
    I do not like them with a mouse.
    I do not like them here or there.
    I do not like them anywhere.
    I do not like green eggs and ham.
    I do not like them, Sam-I-am.
    "Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."

    - Voltaire

  29. #29
    <something> Wynch's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    On a Hill
    TIM
    ILE
    Posts
    3,910
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    Wow, my attempt at sarcasm only resulted in an excuse for you to patronize me.

    I'll stop attempting it then. Thanks.
    I wouldn't call that patronizing. If I was being patronizing I would have said something like "It's ok, I'm sure the music will make everything better." I thought I was being pretty direct. And seeing as how sentiments like those that you made are not far off the mark with some of the SEIs around here it wasn't unreasonable to think that you were being serious. Especially when it comes as a response to Kam talking about "escaping his pain" which made me roll my eyes.
    ILE
    7w8 so/sp

    Very busy with work. Only kind of around.

  30. #30
    expired Lotus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    TIM
    Se/Ni sx/sp
    Posts
    4,494
    Mentioned
    99 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    I wouldn't call that patronizing. If I was being patronizing I would have said something like "It's ok, I'm sure the music will make everything better." I thought I was being pretty direct. And seeing as how sentiments like those that you made are not far off the mark with some of the SEIs around here it wasn't unreasonable to think that you were being serious. Especially when it comes as a response to Kam talking about "escaping his pain" which made me roll my eyes.
    Uh, you just corrected her on the definition of patronizing.
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

  31. #31
    <something> Wynch's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    On a Hill
    TIM
    ILE
    Posts
    3,910
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Actually, in retrospect you could call it patronizing. Though my manner of being patronizing is usually less direct that what I said. Mostly I was reacting to what I saw as two emo SEI posts in a row . What I was originally going to respond with was patronizing, but I decided it would cause too much conflict. Turns out should have shut my mouth all together, lol

    Dolphin, I apologize for insulting you. My comment wasn't originally meant to be directed at you as an individual, rather it was me expressing disgust for the stupid "SEI's are emo" stereotype. Now that I'm done being grumpy and hormonal, I can see that I haven't really been making things any better.
    ILE
    7w8 so/sp

    Very busy with work. Only kind of around.

  32. #32
    Your DNA is mine. Mediator Kam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Wisconsin
    TIM
    SEI
    Posts
    4,481
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    wow, marking that as an emo post, come on. That is the most truthful and non-flippant thing I have posted here in recent times. I feel marginalized ); boo-hoo
    D-SEI 9w1

    This is me and my dual being scientific together

  33. #33
    Your DNA is mine. Mediator Kam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Wisconsin
    TIM
    SEI
    Posts
    4,481
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    I can't believe I actually stood up for you..gosh darn you Kam. Here I spend all this time constructing a somewhat logical sounding comeback to help dispell the myth that SEIs are -whatever the hell they are, I've lost track of all the stereotypes - and restore your good name, and you're not even properly grateful?!?? Oh wait. You don't have a good name to defend, since you put your foot in your mouth so firmly only a couple days ago.

    And I'm sure someone's going to find a hole in my carefully constructed somewhat logical argument now. They're probably laughing their heads off atm. Damnit I just can't win.
    ...... I don't understand you.
    D-SEI 9w1

    This is me and my dual being scientific together

  34. #34
    <something> Wynch's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    On a Hill
    TIM
    ILE
    Posts
    3,910
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    It was the wording, Kam, not the sentiment, lol

    And Dolphin, I'm cool if you are. I think we both got off to the wrong start with mutual misconceptions about each other. For instance, I don't think I'm all-knowing consciously or subconsciously, haha. That's one of those lame Ti-ILE stereotypes, like the lame SEIs are emo stereotype. And I think there's a difference between having valid emotions and being emo. It's the dramatization that makes me roll my eyes, not the feelings themselves.
    ILE
    7w8 so/sp

    Very busy with work. Only kind of around.

  35. #35
    <something> Wynch's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    On a Hill
    TIM
    ILE
    Posts
    3,910
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Dolphin, it sounds like we should both be hormonal bitches together.
    ILE
    7w8 so/sp

    Very busy with work. Only kind of around.

  36. #36
    Your DNA is mine. Mediator Kam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Wisconsin
    TIM
    SEI
    Posts
    4,481
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I don't even think being emo is bad. Edgar Allen Poe was emo the majority of the time, he was too emo to pass the military, he was too emo to know his lost love Lenore left him because he was so emo, and he was too emo to know that befriending a raven is pretty much the most emo thing you can do.

    Except calling yourself hot_vulture. Now that is pretty strange.
    D-SEI 9w1

    This is me and my dual being scientific together

  37. #37
    <something> Wynch's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    On a Hill
    TIM
    ILE
    Posts
    3,910
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Well seeing as how LokiVanguard is secretly the love of my life, I'm cool with sharing similar sentiments as him
    ILE
    7w8 so/sp

    Very busy with work. Only kind of around.

  38. #38

    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Florida
    TIM
    ILE 8w9
    Posts
    3,249
    Mentioned
    8 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Independence is independence, either you are or you are not.

    and also, why are ILE's necessarily more independent than other types?
    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
    --Theodore Roosevelt

    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
    -- Mark Twain

    "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
    -- Confucius

  39. #39
    xyz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    7,709
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    Hey LV, how on earth did you get such a nice girl to become the love of your life?

    Oh. My. God. You didn't tell her, did you?!??.......that's not fair. She deserves the truth.
    You mean tell her that I'm into robots?
    "Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."

    - Voltaire

  40. #40
    <something> Wynch's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    On a Hill
    TIM
    ILE
    Posts
    3,910
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I'm a robot, I don't have a sense of moral past or present. All that matters is the extra charge he gives me with his presence. My batteries never run out.
    ILE
    7w8 so/sp

    Very busy with work. Only kind of around.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •