My Ni

[Park]

[brought back by request] Sometimes I feel my Ni role is as strong as my Si base, while my valuing of Ne/Si over Se/Ni is still very clear to me. Is it possible that I have developed my Ni over time or is this a good sign for me to consider INTj as my type since this is kinda how most INXj would feel about their Si and Ni? But then, I guess most INTjs here would laugh at me for considering INTj as my type so this thought doesn't make much sense I guess. Maybe I am Te subtype SLI instead. What do you think?

[Park]

Ti subtype INTj: strongly Fe-seeking
Ne subtype INTj: strongly Se-POLR

Well I don't know about Fe-seeking but I don't think Se-PoLR is impossible since there are some aspects of Se that I really dislike and some descriptions of Se as an IM I have stumbled upon sound like something I would totally despise and hate, and ignore irl.

it's doubtful an ISTp is ever going to "develop" into either of these (the ISTp having Fe POLR and Se* id). So maybe ISTp-Te fits best.

I wasn't suggesting I might have developed into an INTj, but was simply considering the possibility that I have mistyped myself (because of strong and highly valued Si HA for example).

Some resemblence to Gamma values (where Se is valued) might explain the "intensity" of yours.

Possible.

i remember ESTp being suggested in the past, but that makes little sense if you notice significant Ni use in yourself (all EP's either ignore Ni or seek it.) an ISTj will use some Ni as its hidden agenda, but if you've gotten along well with ENFp's, that typing makes little sense too.

I don't think I 've had a lot of experience with ENFp's but what comes to mind is that my current closest friend is probably an ESFj-Si, fwiw.

[Joy]

The role isn't some horribly weak function like the 4th and 5th functions are.

[Ms. Kensington]

[brought back by request] Sometimes I feel my Ni role is as strong as my Si base, while my valuing of Ne/Si over Se/Ni is still very clear to me. Is it possible that I have developed my Ni over time or is this a good sign for me to consider INTj as my type since this is kinda how most INXj would feel about their Si and Ni? But then, I guess most INTjs here would laugh at me for considering INTj as my type so this thought doesn't make much sense I guess.

i think its interesting you said that because INTjs will laugh means that your theory is wrong. i mean in so many words. ive since begun to strengthen beliefs that you can't improve a weak function but you can become more aware of your weakness, which may appear as a strength. I'm not sure what you mean how INTj would feel their Ni and Si is.

For example I feel some Fe INFp have many health concerns but still don't remember to eat.

[Mediator Kam]

The role isn't some horribly weak function like the 4th and 5th functions are.

Funny thing is, I just realized how strong the role function can be yesterday, after pondering one of your Model A lectures for a day or two.

[Park]

I'm not sure what you mean how INTj would feel their Ni and Si is.

I think an INTj would be usually neutral as to which one they find to be "stronger" in them and will usually focus on Si over Ni because of Ne/Si valuing and Si-seeking.

[Park]

so thinking over the strength of your Se and whether you'd enjoy Ti-ing with an EF or Te-ing with an EF more, is probably what I'd do at this point.

Lets say that the strength of my Se is very unimportant to me. As for Ti-ing vs Te-ing, I think I would prefer Te-ing with an EF.

maybe think about who's your conflictor. one other thought -- which Se descriptions seemed better or worse? Deltas are particuarly averse to Beta Se, alphas to gamma Se.

I remember the ones made by Hugo which he also used to put in his tests. I was very averse to most of them, and got INTj on most of his tests because I always chose Ne over Se. I had to choose Fi over Ti in order to get ISTp usually. Some other Se-aggressor correlations are a turn off too, like the ones at wiki-socion. The problem is, different people define IMs differently and I seem to have different reactions to different interpretations.

[munenori2]

[brought back by request] Sometimes I feel my Ni role is as strong as my Si base, while my valuing of Ne/Si over Se/Ni is still very clear to me. Is it possible that I have developed my Ni over time or is this a good sign for me to consider INTj as my type since this is kinda how most INXj would feel about their Si and Ni?

I think this could be a very possible phenomenon. You haven't been bitten by any radioactive socionists lately, have you?

[Park]

there's some additional descriptions here http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl...%3Ftype%3DESTP

Thanks. I have read some of those awhile ago, but have lost the links.

[Park]

I think this could be a very possible phenomenon. You haven't been bitten by any radioactive socionists lately, have you?

[Blaze]

The role isn't some horribly weak function like the 4th and 5th functions are.

yeah....it's like the "good enough" function.

having said that though, i noticed with my SLE ex, that over time (as in 15 years of knowing him) my Ne and his Se chafed ALOT. it got to the point where he'd say stuff like, "yeah yeah yeah. another one of your "great ideas"". i'd resent his constant need to have the bigger better car, the biggest boat, the biggest penis and make fun of that.

so the idea is that when you are around somebody whose leading function is your role function, you can notice the difference in the overall strength of how the functions are expressed.

it is easy to confuse role with leading though. since role is conscious and you're not that bad at it.

[Park]

Another thing that occurred to me is that I can sometimes be very welcome of Si + Fe, a good example being the Alpha SF musicians I enjoy listening to/transcribing music from.