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    http://socion.info/cgi-bin/html/resu...335544765.html

    Brave Rylix plunged head-first into rmcnew's insanely long test, and he would like help interpreting the test. (He is new to Socionics, it was only yesterday that I converted him!).

    He will make an appearance here later but he got kicked off his computer (hence why I am the one posting, lol)

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    Eeeek, that test is long, brain melting... had to split it up into 3 parts

    I thought that if id write a little about me it would help you to interperate the results!

    I got a really full-on personality, and i vary depending on were i am. i can be quiet when i need to be, but i PREFER to be around people, even if they somtimes get sick of me . I talk alot about everything to everybody, and like to make others happy when talking one on one.

    Saying this, in school, although i hate to say it, im a little bit of a know-it-all, and this is one of the main causes of my mild unpopularity .

    I dont have a problem with rules at all, but i can still go along with rule-breaking if itss not serious and sombody else is doning it.

    When i read a description for ESFj's, i read alot of things that made me think- WOW thats really me ...

    Oh yeah and i find my self very adabtable to new situations, i love variety the spice of life, but i dont mind regularity either... pfeh maybe im just fine with everything =_= lol .

    Well pick away everybody .

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    Thank heavens. More I can finally rest now ^_^ whew!

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    (I accidently put my results in instead of his....)

    His results link:
    http://socion.info/cgi-bin/tool.cgi?...&function=post

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    Would you have any expertise in divuldging the hidden in that link?

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    It seems to point to INTp or ENTj according to McNew's hidden agenda removal tool (The link). Wait for him to check the results and make an accurate decision

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    ISFp <--- Read and that is so unblevably not me...
    ENTj <--- Possibly, but really only 80% true... Some of it isnt.

    I stick to the "small" test in the result, i may have been tired or rushed doing the "large" one Could a few un-thought-through lead you from ESFj to ENTj?

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    What about INFp, ENFj, ESTj, ISTp? (I got those to pop up manually)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rylix
    ISFp <--- Read and that is so unblevably not me...
    ENTj <--- Possibly, but really only 80% true... Some of it isnt.

    I stick to the "small" test in the result, i may have been tired or rushed doing the "large" one Could a few un-thought-through lead you from ESFj to ENTj?

    Could you elaborate on what is so NOT you in ISFp, and one the 20% that are NOT you in ENTj?

    That would help.
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    Ill see if im like each point for the characteristics found on the16types.info



    ISFp-
    1. Always Appears Optimistic? I AM always optimistic!
    Hiding feelings? I think we all do a little, but i dont hide them much.
    Favors? Ask when needed and will help others when asked, so No.

    2. Appreciates all facets of life? Yea, i do this a bit
    Remembering/Reproducing Emotions? Ermm... no...


    3. Tries not to infringe comfort? A little...
    Knowingly Changing Emotions to alter others'? No, i dont do this.
    Searching Effective ways to activate partner? Yeah, but if you didnt...

    4. Dislikes Quarrel? Definatly
    Say No? I will when i have to

    5. Who needs what? Not really...
    Winning people to his side? Part of my liking-of-company...

    6. Not drawing attention if not needed? Im more of a how can i help person

    <Ohldeman>Wide Ranging Emotions: Ya


    ENTj-
    1. Go Go Go? This is a little of yes and no, i'll go when i need to, but i wont when i dont! Its really a no, because it says "prefers to run"...

    2. Romantic? Not in the way described
    Negligence of appearence? No way.

    3. Not attentive to appearence? No way.
    Always Insecure about apearance? Somtimes, but i must say dont we all?

    4. Optimisticism? Yup
    Radiates friendliness n smiles? Yup.
    Likes to relate to what seen and heard? Yup.
    Easy to talk with strangers? Yup.

    5. Love for life? Yup.
    Afraid of being Funny? Somtimes, but i can always be heard joking around. Im not to be taken seriously

    [list=1]Power: Comfortable with, but not as aggresivly as described.



    Hope that helps =)

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    Yeah you are probably esfj (the smileys give it away). Welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeia
    What about INFp, ENFj, ESTj, ISTp? (I got those to pop up manually)

    You mean as described in the tool's forum?




    ESTj-
    1. Rapid Clear Mind? Yup.
    Covert Nervousness? A bit
    High Internal Emotionality? Yup.
    Get lots of info? Depends on the seriousness of the situation, but yes.

    2. Defends ideas with guts+fervor? Yes, its hard to tell me im wrong somtimes .
    Quality in everything? Yup.
    Working lots of hours? if the work isnt very physical like my current job <maccas rush hours lol>


    3. Feels good is self evident? I like to discuss what is best, so this is a situational thing...
    Rage is last line of defense? Ishy's brother could vouch for that when im annoyed at school lol.
    Intimidate new people? No i dont think this trait is me.

    4. Belief in playing fair? Definatly yes, but there are exceptions upon circumstance.
    Read Manual? Yup thats me lol.

    5. Well built even if not? I look big, but my abs are flooped. Have i missed the point here...
    Dresses well+Long Cloths? Yup, and wow thats very specific.
    Shoes? well my feet are sized 13, so i need to buy expensive ones to find that size....

    <Ohldeman> Inaliable rights? Yup.

    Thats seems a little more like me then those other ones Having said that, theres a overall really of "i dont really.. fit" here... as in some of the characteristics are very strong which isnt like me.

    *starts to feel like brain is melting again *

    ISTp-
    1. Gentleness? Well when working with problems i wont do the whole force thing, ill stop and look. And when im doing things there arent any pointless motions so id guess its a yes.
    Relaxation+Perfection? Seems like a yes, but thats setting aside emotions and feelings, which i very much tie together.

    2. Laziness? As ive said (i think), im more of a doer then a waiter.
    In groups, things done only by self happy with? Yup.
    Sensible Skin? Yup. 3 times people in the area have said somthing like "ur skin is great" and im like huh?..?.

    3. Emotions? Mine jsut come out really, none of this riff-raff lol.
    Continous Calmness? This is true though, somtimes.

    4. Works wihtout goals? yeah thats me lol. I do.
    Equal rewards regardless of input is wrong? Yup.
    Won over by sincere feelings? Yeah this is true.

    <Ohldeman> Own Values? Yup.

    I jst realised ive just spelt Oldham wrong 4 times lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion
    Yeah you are probably esfj (the smileys give it away). Welcome.
    Im often told i like smileys

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    I like the sig by the way. Did you make that?

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    Made by the afformentioned Ishy's Brother (A friend) who was told i like dragons and dark colours

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    *thumbs up for meaningful double posts *

    Ishy reccomended i post some of my interactions with other people to help you to decide easier.

    From what i know/observe about myself:
    -I have many friends with low self esteems, and this could be because i dont judge/put down often/on purpose.
    -im somtimes criticised for my interaction with the "lowlier members of school society"
    -i always find somthing in common with everybody i meet, so i can always chat and make friends
    -being so, i dont have many if any really good friends etc.


    Cant think of anything else


    Sorry bout my long posts too -_-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rylix
    im somtimes criticised for my interaction with the "lowlier members of school society"
    is this interaction positive or negative? who criticizes you and for what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion
    is this interaction positive or negative? who criticizes you and for what?

    Interaction as in Friendships, and the crticism is such as "you can do so much better"...

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    by school do you mean college or high school? it seems quite a few esfjs hang out with geeks and nerds in high school from what i have noticed. are those the kind of people you mean?

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    Mostly yes. And High School is the answer. You know many ESFj's?

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    I know a few. I didn't really know many in high school though because we were seperated by other demographic factors (which I regret having allowed to segregate me).

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    I was offered to skip grades as well but opted not to because I thought it was retarded that they wanted to seperate me from my friends. F that lol.

    I was also criticized for having various types of friends. Some types would scuff at others. It went all ways. I thought it was quite lame. I didnt care, though, and Im glad I didnt.

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    Yay. You seem very ESFj to me. And you get all excited and simley happy like me too!!! . I'm the same when it comes to finding something in common with everyone i meet. Also that i don't judge to i have friends from all different walks of life. I'm probably not helping any but i'll help answer questions if you need!
    "this shaking keeps me steady. i should know. what falls always is always. and is near. i wake to sleep and taking my waking slow. i learn by going where i have to go." -t. roethke

    ENFp!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeia
    ...to McNew's hidden agenda removal tool (The link). Wait for him to check the results and make an accurate decision
    Is this Mr McNew on often? *wait semi-patiently*

    Glad to be here too

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    *gushes about the adorable supervisee*

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    Hey Rylix, welcome to the forum. It's great to have another esfj here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rylix
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeia
    ...to McNew's hidden agenda removal tool (The link). Wait for him to check the results and make an accurate decision
    Is this Mr McNew on often? *wait semi-patiently*

    Glad to be here too
    Hmmm, I had a look at your results ... those definatelly were not the cleanest looking results I have seen. But, I think it is sufficent enough to have a look at.

    There is some things I would like to point out from the following link:

    http://socion.info/cgi-bin/tool.cgi?...2&FIW=8&simp=1

    However, looking at this data I do not think you are necessarily ESFj taking these results at face value. In fact, was the top function! ... Unless there lies something to suggest that this data could be flawed, how could that be possible if is the weakest function for an ESFj? These are some weird results if that is the case ...

    Another thing I would like to point out is that this result seems to indicate that you place some rather strong emphasis on the and functions. This is typically indicative of judgement types such as ENTj, ENFj in the case of the 2nd vrs 6th functions, and indicative of perceiving types such as INTp and INFp in the case of 1st vs 5th functions.

    Furthermore, I also read some of your personal description, from what you described it sounds to me like you express a massive boatload of ... However, while it is true that ESFjs, such as regular forum members of the ESFj type who may have influenced your decision for example dudeins, express this amount of , that does mean that the behaviour is purely ESFj. In fact, since ENFjs have as a first function, they are known to act this very same way. And not only that, the ENFj type is a much much better match than ESFj is for these results.


    ENFj function by function description ... the following is written in types that ENFjs confuse themselves for.

    http://socion.info/cgi-bin/descriptions.cgi?TYPE=11

    ESFj - An ENFj usually becomes confused between this type and his or her native ENFj when he or she has decided upon being an extrovert, determined self as a judging type, and has been having some influence from the sixth function, while not really being sure if that function is introverted or extroverted. In this senerio, instead of a ENFj confusing his or her self for an ISFj the extroverted or introverted type has been substituted. In this instance, the way to discern between these two types and to choose the correct one is to determine whether you activelly use more Se or Si. If you use Se more than you use Si, you are probably an ENFj. If you use Si more than you use Se, you could really be an ESFj.
    Going back to the type results, you soared a whopping 30 points or so past your ... again, things are not looking good for being typed ESFj.

    Another thing, I noticed that your seem to be atleast a little above (10 points) ... So, things might go one way or the other for you being a logical or ethical type. However, if you really think that you are ethical type, in my honest judgement ENFj seems to be your best option. On the other hand, If you come to the conclusion you could really be a logical type, I would go with ENTj.

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    I removed :enough from the results to make stand out and it gave you these options. Though, you might actually be an intuitive subtype. The way the tool calculates subtypes seem to be the most accurate with unedited results for some reason that I am trying to discover.

    http://socion.info/cgi-bin/tool.cgi?...2&FIW=8&simp=1

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    Youve made a very convincing argument there, sir .

    I'll go and delve into the ENFj type descriptions and learn more in the process, lol. My brain is sufficiently un-mashed for me to do some more thinking

    *goes and delves*

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    However large the similarities in ENFj it just doesnt describe me aswell as ESFj... For example i look at the world positively not in the dramatic tragic light. However the other ENFj stuff are pretty ok.

    This is thouroughly confusing taking into account your arguments...

    *points to siggy* i think im either ENFj or ESFj.

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    he's just trying to defend his test

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    Going by the descriptions, you look ESFj to me, not really ENFj.

    Do you think I am your Supervisor?

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    I think that the ESFj aspect that those descriptions Rylix read, and wrote, did NOT cover is - the sensory aspect. They all concentrated on , which is common to ESFj and ENFj.

    That is a point you're not addressing, and that was caught by rmcnew's test.

    I agree that Rylix sounds ESFj, but an ENFj could sound like that, too.
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    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    That's why I asked if he thought I was his supervisor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishysquishy
    Do you think I am your Supervisor?
    Funny enough without reading the posts after it that question could have been the oddest ive ever heard. But i get what you mean.

    I do agree strongly think your the adviser , and i agree with most of the things on the page, but i cant find a spot for the starting arguments part. Are these part of a more developed Superviser-ee relationship? (Or maybe we havnt been in such lots of people situations )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion
    he's just trying to defend his test
    Excuse me, but I defend my test by improving it ... not by activelly bullshitting other people ... Besides, it was not the test that determined he had high , it was what he chose for his answers that determined that he had high ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rylix
    However large the similarities in ENFj it just doesnt describe me aswell as ESFj... For example i look at the world positively not in the dramatic tragic light. However the other ENFj stuff are pretty ok.

    This is thouroughly confusing taking into account your arguments...

    *points to siggy* i think im either ENFj or ESFj.
    Hmmm, I am not really sure what you mean by "dramatic tragic," but ENFjs acutally have a very good and positive view of future possibilities, albeit they might at time exaggerate things in their own mind facts, which in turn may form into something unrealistic on account of their weak ... along with an unconscious have a tendency to cause that sort of drama if that is what you mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rylix
    Quote Originally Posted by ishysquishy
    Do you think I am your Supervisor?
    Funny enough without reading the posts after it that question could have been the oddest ive ever heard. But i get what you mean.

    I do agree strongly think your the advisee , and i agree with most of the things on the page, but i cant find a spot for the starting arguments part. Are these part of a more developed Superviser-ee relationship? (Or maybe we havnt been in such lots of people situations )
    I think we have a more positive friendship than our intertype relationship might suggest. Subtypes might have something to do with it, and aside from that we have the advantage of common interests.

    I can also see the supervision, I just hope I'm a nice supervisor

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    ishy, if Rylix were enfj then you'd be mirrors, also a pretty good relationship with mutual correction. Does Rylix correct you?
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