Fi base vs Fe creative

[Rubicon]

Sometimes I find it hard to differentiate btwn the two. Especially if you don't know the person well and are just trying to type them from a single conversation or interview. I think Fe creatives who are Ni or Si subtypes, in particular, can easily be mistaken for Fi-dominants.

Any tips on how to tell them apart?

[Rubicon]

by role is a possibility. like it's often the first function used with people. so with Fi 1sts, it will be Ti and they might look thoughtful or analytical (as opposed to 1st Ti-s, who will smile and look friendly/greet sincerely, engage in being polite, etc. Like even the whole conversation, or at least a significant part of the start of it might be in such shape. i'm not into subtypes much so can't say much about them.

also, you might notice that you are being judged, feelings are concealed from you in the case with Fi 1sts, whereas with Fe 2nds, you should not have it, the communication would be more emotionally transparent, etc.

i think this bit illustrates it quite well too:

Mm - yeah, I relate a lot to Redbaron's comment. That's a good point.

I'm not exactly sure where you're coming from re people using their role function. Wouldn't their dual-seeking function be more apparent than their role? And do you mean it's a conscious or an unconscious thing? I, personally, wouldn't have a clue how to go about using Ni.

[Mediator Kam]

I don't always feel judged by Fi dominants; I often feel understood and befriended.

It's more often that I'll feel judged by those with weak ethics.

Do you relate to using Si on first contact with people?

[1981slater]

Creative --> "I like this person, so, I am gonna get closer to him/her"
Base --> "This person is popular/useful/rich/whatever, so, I am gonna get closer to him in spite of I hate him/her"

[Cheesy]

Base --> "This person is popular/useful/rich/whatever, so, I am gonna get closer to him in spite of I hate him/her"

Do I smell Fi polr? There's no point in posting useless things that have no foundation, you obviously have no idea of what Fi is. Fi has nothing to do with opportunism or taking advantage of things (that has more to do with Ne). Being a gold digger also has absolutely nothing to do with Fi. I probably shouldn't even reply but it's too late now.

[1981slater]

PolR off

Base people are bad non-ethical gold diggers
Creative people are, at least, nice people even when they are gold digging.

PolR on

Thanks for the feedback

[Rubicon]

interesting, thanks for the feedback.

[Mediator Kam]

PolR off

Base people are bad non-ethical gold diggers
Creative people are, at least, nice people even when they are gold digging.

PolR on

Thanks for the feedback

Te falta la mente que pueda entender ):

[Cheesy]

PolR off

Base people are bad non-ethical gold diggers
Creative people are, at least, nice people even when they are gold digging.

PolR on

Thanks for the feedback

Thanks for improving your definition of Fi, I'm afraid it couldn't get more accurate than that. (don't forget to add it to wikisocion!)

[Creepy-Diana]

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[BLauritson]

This is one of those moments where everyone else gets pissed off with someone when I'm sitting here assuming they're being satirical. The question is...am I the one who misinterprets? I shall ponder this...bah, who am I kidding, of course I won't. My mind's far too easily distracted to post something so insignificant.

[dbmmama]

This is one of those moments where everyone else gets pissed off with someone when I'm sitting here assuming they're being satirical. The question is...am I the one who misinterprets? I shall ponder this...bah, who am I kidding, of course I won't. My mind's far too easily distracted to post something so insignificant.

agreed.

[Amber]

Creative --> "I like this person, so, I am gonna get closer to him/her"
Base --> "This person is popular/useful/rich/whatever, so, I am gonna get closer to him in spite of I hate him/her"

Creative --> I dunno well if I really like this person or not and it's not super-important, but atm I'm gonna socialize and be nice, especially if they don't show hostility. who knows what can happen when I'm a different mood.

Base --> "This person is beautiful/interesting/endearing/whatever. I like this person, so I am gonna get closer to them slowly and see where we stand with each other.

[Erk]

^ from my experience:

Subject-detached --> "I like him because he has these ethical qualities ie. "He's a nice guy, he does this for others, one time he, everybody thinks he's nice etc." It's about the object,

him.

Subject-dependent --> "I like him because we get along well, we click, we seem to find a lot of commonality, "one time we, he made me laugh etc." It's about the subject involvement,

you, your personal relationship with him.

Don't know how accurate that is but it's from my experience.

This sounds a lot more accurate than anything else I've read. People attribute too much emotion to Fe when in reality it's just a really really dry impersonal way of making decisions about something.

[Pookie]

Fi bases arent as animated.

[Suz]

Creative --> I dunno well if I really like this person or not and it's not super-important, but atm I'm gonna socialize and be nice, especially if they don't show hostility. who knows what can happen when I'm a different mood.

Base --> "This person is beautiful/interesting/endearing/whatever. I like this person, so I am gonna get closer to them slowly and see where we stand with each other.

^ from my experience:

Subject-detached --> "I like him because he has these ethical qualities ie. "He's a nice guy, he does this for others, one time he, everybody thinks he's nice etc." It's about the object,

him.

Subject-dependent --> "I like him because we get along well, we click, we seem to find a lot of commonality, "one time we, he made me laugh etc." It's about the subject involvement,

you, your personal relationship with him.

Don't know how accurate that is but it's from my experience.

Thanks guys, this continues to confirm to me that i'm Fe. (or at least Fe-valuing).

[Amber]

^ from my experience:

Subject-detached --> "I like him because he has these ethical qualities ie. "He's a nice guy, he does this for others, one time he, everybody thinks he's nice etc." It's about the object,

him.

Subject-dependent --> "I like him because we get along well, we click, we seem to find a lot of commonality, "one time we, he made me laugh etc." It's about the subject involvement,

you, your personal relationship with him.

Don't know how accurate that is but it's from my experience.

Broadly speaking, I don't disagree with the Fi emphasis on Subject, fields, and affinity. But I doubt Fi people are actually not aware of the qualities they like in a person and only pay attention to what they incidentally feel themselves. Imo Fi is more comprehensive than "one time he made me laugh." It's about personality resonance (which you otherwise suggested).

However note that my answer was addressing the OP -- how can you differentiate the two in a simple conversation/interview if you don't know the person. Your description has broader implications...kinda like what's the difference between Fi and Fe in general.

And I actually think your Fe is more about Fe base than Fe creative. Fe creative also has a basis of "fields in motion" before getting to the Object part. Besides as a dynamic function it is definitely focused on interaction. "what does our/their (social) dynamic look like? How does the person react to teasing or trying to shake emotions up? What can I gain if I befriend that person? What do other ppl think about them? etc."

[krieger]

Fe is fleeting, moment based.

Fi is lasting, more of a "forever" thing or semblance of it.

the static/dynamic quality is way more helpful than i/e for comprehending it.

[xerx]

Here's an ILI sharing an awkward moment with a bunch of douchy socialites / court flatterers: