Obsessive dual-seeking?

[Rubicon]

Is it possible for a person to be obsessed with their dual-seeking function to the point where they use it at every opportunity and appear dominant in the function they're seeking?

[tcaudilllg]

Is it possible for a person to be obsessed with their dual-seeking function to the point where they use it at every opportunity and appear dominant in the function they're seeking?

I believe I may have seen this before. Instead of relying on a small core of highly reliable information (as we do with our base function), this person instead relies on huge amounts of miscellaneous data, and tries to organize it into a coherent whole. I've seen people try to make sense of what I say before without really having any background into it, and what they end up doing is relating it with everything else they know into a mostly incoherent mismash of ideas. Only a few people I know of actually do this, but I can point to two examples right off. One is crazedrat, I think, because he seems to rely on huge amounts of Fi to support his Te.

[strrrng]

I have been told multiple times that I am obsessed with Se. It wasn't stated in those exact words, however.

[JuJu]

I have been told multiple times that I am obsessed with Se. It wasn't stated in those exact words, however.

Haha yeah. same for me with Si... different wording though, definitely.

[BLauritson]

I don't think I'd physically have the energy to act like an Se-dominant, even if I were obsessed with doing so. The moment I'm low on physical energy I start daydreaming where I stand without even realise it. I don't know if it would be the same for others, but for me I don't think it would be possible.

[implied]

I can relate to this. You can ask almost anyone here and they will tell you that I'm definitely strong in Si.

Everyone from forums that's met me will attest to my extreme fixation with Si.

the thing is, neither of you, in all the time i have interacted with you, have ever really struck me as Si types. i don't think being obsessed with it or being enamored with it is going to make you come off as strong in said function.

[marooned]

thinking of it only hypothetically I would think that if someone's entire personality is inverted such that they appear to be leading in their dual-seeking function and seeking their leading function... they would be absolutely insane and in desperate need of the mental institution.

[Expat]

thinking of it only hypothetically I would think that if someone's entire personality is inverted such that they appear to be leading in their dual-seeking function and seeking their leading function... they would be absolutely insane and in desperate need of the mental institution.

Pretty much.

[Ms. Kensington]

well, i think that being concerned with things related to a function day in and day out would be an indication to your type.

i think whiny-ness and acting like a baby indicates your dual seeking function.

I think all use of functions you're not strong is can be obvious to those actually strong in the function.

total paranoia indicates your polr function.

annoyance but begrudging submission indicates your role.

ime.

[Olimpia]

thinking of it only hypothetically I would think that if someone's entire personality is inverted such that they appear to be leading in their dual-seeking function and seeking their leading function... they would be absolutely insane and in desperate need of the mental institution.

[Words]

thinking of it only hypothetically I would think that if someone's entire personality is inverted such that they appear to be leading in their dual-seeking function and seeking their leading function... they would be absolutely insane and in desperate need of the mental institution.

lol

[Steve]

Everyone from forums that's met me will attest to my extreme fixation with Si.

[Rubicon]

I think people who meet me IRL might think I'm a Fe leading type of some sort at times. I've considered ESE and IEE for myself because of this as well because I think I use a lot of Fe IRL at times. I don't think it's shown too much on the forum though.

I think it shows. Your posts often strike me as more IEE than ILE.

When I write, I use a lot of my weak functions. That is all I will say for now.

I look forward to hearing you elaborate on this. :-P

I can relate to this. You can ask almost anyone here and they will tell you that I'm definitely strong in Si.

lol

thinking of it only hypothetically I would think that if someone's entire personality is inverted such that they appear to be leading in their dual-seeking function and seeking their leading function... they would be absolutely insane and in desperate need of the mental institution.

I'm just talking about a person who tries overly hard to develop and utilise their dual-seeking function. That wouldn't mean their whole personality is inverted.

I believe I may have seen this before. Instead of relying on a small core of highly reliable information (as we do with our base function), this person instead relies on huge amounts of miscellaneous data, and tries to organize it into a coherent whole. I've seen people try to make sense of what I say before without really having any background into it, and what they end up doing is relating it with everything else they know into a mostly incoherent mismash of ideas.

Yeah - I've noticed this too. I think in order to appear somewhat effective in a function you're weak in, you'd have to rely on prior observations and experiences, and act tactically or strategically rather than spontaneously. I think this behaviour can be convincing in small doses, but not really in the long run. And not at all convincing to those who are dominant in the function you're seeking.

[Joy]

Is it possible for a person to be obsessed with their dual-seeking function to the point where they use it at every opportunity and appear dominant in the function they're seeking?

Our dual seeking function is the area in which we're most needy. It is arguably our weakest function (with our PoLR coming in as a close second), and certainly our most helpless.

[Ritella]

Is it possible for a person to be obsessed with their dual-seeking function to the point where they use it at every opportunity and appear dominant in the function they're seeking?

Yes, I think so. If the person is _forced_ to constantly use his dual-seeking function- i.e., if it's required for the person's job.
In those cases I think that he will appear strong in the function, but also tremendously insecure when someone calls him out on something he's done wrong, and very judgemental of other people in their strength of this function. I say "judgemental" of others, because my experience is that people don't judge other people on their ego function; rather, they get offended or hurt when people don't value their leading functions. People do, however, seem to judge people on their Super-Id functions, and much more so when they have been forced to develop them. (I think Expat posted about this in another thread, saying that these people appear annoying to most people.)
I think the underlying psychological reason for the "judgement" that results when types focus on developing their weak functions, is that these people perceive themselves to have "worked," since it is not easy for them. Leading functions, on the other hand, don't seem to be "real work." So then, it's pretty self validating, and hence very natural, to define "lazy" people as those whom you perceive not to be "working"- i.e., strengthening your Super-Id functions.
The difference in "judgement" between a person who develops his Super-Id and one who doesn't is that the latter isn't claiming to be good at these things; he will empathise with you if you suck in them and will like you more if you are strong in these functions, because of the value you have to him. The former, however, will hold you accountable if you are not strong in these functions. In doing so, he will come across as a judgemental hypocrite since most sane people will intuitively understand that this person is not even naturally good at that for which he's criticizing others.

[Joy]

That's your hidden agenda, not dual seeking function.

[Mediator Kam]

When I write, I use a lot of my weak functions. That is all I will say for now.

[Suz]

Is it possible for a person to be obsessed with their dual-seeking function to the point where they use it at every opportunity and appear dominant in the function they're seeking?

You know, this is an interesting concept.

For a long time I self-typed Ne-dom. I think, though, that it was more about me being enamored with the thought of being Ne-dom, than me actually being good at it (and a number of people on the forum had actually commented on my apparent lack thereof over the years). Over time i started perceiving (somewhat painfully) that I'm only "good" at Ne when i'm working or interacting with someone who is good at it. and once i am left to my own devices or stuck with someone who devalues Ne, I'm actually not so great at it. Whether it's DS-weak or HA-weak, i'm not totally sure at the moment.

What I also realized through this mental exercise was that I gravitate a lot to people with creative & interesting ideas, particularly if they suit a broad field of interest I have (which is often Si-related, such as sleep, nutrition, etc). However, coming up with specific novel research ideas, i have a lot of trouble with. I also worry some about people thinking i'm boring (I personally dont feel that i am boring, because i'm usually not bored and i like my lifestyle the way it is, but i feel self-conscious about it to some degree); i guess i worry about it more in the context of conversation than in lifestyle. So I really appreciate it when an interlocutor brings up some interesting topics that then we can discuss, and not depend on me to do it -- i can certainly enthusiastically reciprocate conversation once that happens. Sometimes i can spearhead an interesting topic though, it's not an absolute; i just feel a little self-conscious about it. I also get kind of annoyed when people are inflexible to possibilities; i come across such people with some frequency on a daily basis; that may simply reflect Ne-valuing though, perhaps.

[Kim]

Fall in love first, type later. If socionics doesn't predict a good long-term relationship, screw it and check enneagram. If enneagram does not make for a good match-up either, declare yourself an exception to the rule and enjoy your relationship (at least you will have an explanation of why your PoLR feels a bit battered occasionally).

[Suz]

Fall in love first, type later. If socionics doesn't predict a good long-term relationship, screw it and check enneagram. If enneagram does not make for a good match-up either, declare yourself an exception to the rule and enjoy your relationship (at least you will have an explanation of why your PoLR feels a bit battered occasionally).

I agree, but socionics isn't just about love though... in fact i'd say the majority of socionics dynamics happen outside of a romantic interaction.

[Kim]

I agree, but socionics isn't just about love though... in fact i'd say the majority of socionics dynamics happen outside of a romantic interaction.

Make friends first, type later. If socionics doesn't predict a good long-term relationship, screw it and check enneagram. If enneagram does not make for a good match-up either, declare yourself an exception to the rule and enjoy your friendship (at least you will have an explanation of why your PoLR feels a bit battered occasionally).

[Suz]

Make friends first, type later. If socionics doesn't predict a good long-term relationship, screw it and check enneagram. If enneagram does not make for a good match-up either, declare yourself an exception to the rule and enjoy your friendship (at least you will have an explanation of why your PoLR feels a bit battered occasionally).

^_^

[Kim]

^_^

I actually just realized that my post was entirely unrelated to this thread.

[Words]

Is it possible for a person to be obsessed with their dual-seeking function to the point where they use it at every opportunity and appear dominant in the function they're seeking?

If someone is Si leading and enneagram 7 it may appear superficially so, for example