Is it possible for a person to be obsessed with their dual-seeking function to the point where they use it at every opportunity and appear dominant in the function they're seeking?
Is it possible for a person to be obsessed with their dual-seeking function to the point where they use it at every opportunity and appear dominant in the function they're seeking?
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."
I believe I may have seen this before. Instead of relying on a small core of highly reliable information (as we do with our base function), this person instead relies on huge amounts of miscellaneous data, and tries to organize it into a coherent whole. I've seen people try to make sense of what I say before without really having any background into it, and what they end up doing is relating it with everything else they know into a mostly incoherent mismash of ideas. Only a few people I know of actually do this, but I can point to two examples right off. One is crazedrat, I think, because he seems to rely on huge amounts of Fi to support his Te.
I have been told multiple times that I am obsessed with Se. It wasn't stated in those exact words, however.
Yes, I think so. If the person is _forced_ to constantly use his dual-seeking function- i.e., if it's required for the person's job.
In those cases I think that he will appear strong in the function, but also tremendously insecure when someone calls him out on something he's done wrong, and very judgemental of other people in their strength of this function. I say "judgemental" of others, because my experience is that people don't judge other people on their ego function; rather, they get offended or hurt when people don't value their leading functions. People do, however, seem to judge people on their Super-Id functions, and much more so when they have been forced to develop them. (I think Expat posted about this in another thread, saying that these people appear annoying to most people.)
I think the underlying psychological reason for the "judgement" that results when types focus on developing their weak functions, is that these people perceive themselves to have "worked," since it is not easy for them. Leading functions, on the other hand, don't seem to be "real work." So then, it's pretty self validating, and hence very natural, to define "lazy" people as those whom you perceive not to be "working"- i.e., strengthening your Super-Id functions.
The difference in "judgement" between a person who develops his Super-Id and one who doesn't is that the latter isn't claiming to be good at these things; he will empathise with you if you suck in them and will like you more if you are strong in these functions, because of the value you have to him. The former, however, will hold you accountable if you are not strong in these functions. In doing so, he will come across as a judgemental hypocrite since most sane people will intuitively understand that this person is not even naturally good at that for which he's criticizing others.
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That's your hidden agenda, not dual seeking function.
When I write, I use a lot of my weak functions. That is all I will say for now.
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I don't think I'd physically have the energy to act like an Se-dominant, even if I were obsessed with doing so. The moment I'm low on physical energy I start daydreaming where I stand without even realise it. I don't know if it would be the same for others, but for me I don't think it would be possible.
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thinking of it only hypothetically I would think that if someone's entire personality is inverted such that they appear to be leading in their dual-seeking function and seeking their leading function... they would be absolutely insane and in desperate need of the mental institution.
well, i think that being concerned with things related to a function day in and day out would be an indication to your type.
i think whiny-ness and acting like a baby indicates your dual seeking function.
I think all use of functions you're not strong is can be obvious to those actually strong in the function.
total paranoia indicates your polr function.
annoyance but begrudging submission indicates your role.
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lolOriginally Posted by Ms. Kensington
Everyone from forums that's met me will attest to my extreme fixation with Si.
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
basically i got the idea that jem was asking if someone could be so obsessed with their DS function that they might look like a representative of that type. i don't think it would be totally crazy for any Ne type to have a strong interest in Si. the ENTps/INTjs i have met though, do not strike me as highly "Si aware" in a lot of ways, though.
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model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
You know what? I think it would be more likely for a type to look a type that is strong in their HIDDEN AGENDA as opposed to their dual-seeking.
I dunno, personally, I think hidden agendas manifest themselves in a much stronger way than dual-seeking b/c we actually believe ourselves to be proficient in said function. Most of the time with dual-seeking however, we KNOW that we suck and are helpless at it, therefore desiring someone to take care of it entirely. That's the main difference I see between the 5th and the 6th function.
For example, me, and EIE, would look like either an SLE or SEE (if the is particularly strong)
I also think it's quite interesting whoever said that a person with inverted functions would be mentally insane. LOL ... I wonder if we can find any real life examples of that?
I'm not strong in Si
I try pretty hard to find random things that interest me, but i'm not a natural at it.
"Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."
- Voltaire
I've been thinking that such people would feel extremely drawn to circumstancial information, such as syncronity and astrology. They would collect huge amounts of circumstantial information (because the dual-seeking function is one dimensional) and instead of just using it to guide the attention of their base function (such as, developing a theory of something that people want to know more about), they would instead try to correlate circumstantial things to each other. It would be like a ESFj using Ti all the time, and actually believing in the (completely baseless and circumstantial) theories they contrive. But then they would turn around and use all sorts of VALID theories to substantiate their wild claims. The odd thing about it is that to the extent these people have ever managed to hold power or anything (always through heredity), they have indeed made decisons based on the "arcane connections" in the stars. There are numerous accounts of kings who believed ferverently in astrologers, and followed their predictions to their own deaths.
On the other hand, Alex Boukalov's "Physics of Consciousness and Life" journal has all kinds of strange "investigations". You never knew the number 17 was so significant...
Although the astrological application of this talent is bunk, the idea of concepts that define a function "par excellence" is very useful. Game map designers envision entire landscapes and worlds seemingly out of nothing. (although there may be a theme to the map, the landscape is usually unexplainable in design). Such a person seems capable of understanding how many elements come together into a unified whole, whereas most of us can only concentrate on one part of the picture at a time. The problem is that they seem less capable than most of us when it comes to dealing with the individual parts. Most of us see the forest but must break it down into trees; these people see only the forest.
I think it shows. Your posts often strike me as more IEE than ILE.
I look forward to hearing you elaborate on this. :-P
lol
I'm just talking about a person who tries overly hard to develop and utilise their dual-seeking function. That wouldn't mean their whole personality is inverted.
Yeah - I've noticed this too. I think in order to appear somewhat effective in a function you're weak in, you'd have to rely on prior observations and experiences, and act tactically or strategically rather than spontaneously. I think this behaviour can be convincing in small doses, but not really in the long run. And not at all convincing to those who are dominant in the function you're seeking.
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."
You know, this is an interesting concept.
For a long time I self-typed Ne-dom. I think, though, that it was more about me being enamored with the thought of being Ne-dom, than me actually being good at it (and a number of people on the forum had actually commented on my apparent lack thereof over the years). Over time i started perceiving (somewhat painfully) that I'm only "good" at Ne when i'm working or interacting with someone who is good at it. and once i am left to my own devices or stuck with someone who devalues Ne, I'm actually not so great at it. Whether it's DS-weak or HA-weak, i'm not totally sure at the moment.
What I also realized through this mental exercise was that I gravitate a lot to people with creative & interesting ideas, particularly if they suit a broad field of interest I have (which is often Si-related, such as sleep, nutrition, etc). However, coming up with specific novel research ideas, i have a lot of trouble with. I also worry some about people thinking i'm boring (I personally dont feel that i am boring, because i'm usually not bored and i like my lifestyle the way it is, but i feel self-conscious about it to some degree); i guess i worry about it more in the context of conversation than in lifestyle. So I really appreciate it when an interlocutor brings up some interesting topics that then we can discuss, and not depend on me to do it -- i can certainly enthusiastically reciprocate conversation once that happens. Sometimes i can spearhead an interesting topic though, it's not an absolute; i just feel a little self-conscious about it. I also get kind of annoyed when people are inflexible to possibilities; i come across such people with some frequency on a daily basis; that may simply reflect Ne-valuing though, perhaps.
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