Last edited by xerx; 10-12-2008 at 05:18 AM.
A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; It cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows the other. Mao Tse Tung
It doesn't seem like the character is being made fun of; the video is serious, and definitely has an FiSe theme. A better example of an exaggerated Gamma might be Judge Dredd:
It has some Beta themes, but it's probably made by Gammas, and definitely hilarious from an Alpha POV.
Over the top, maybe, but it's still dark. And there is a big difference between Ni mystery (as in intrigue) and Ne randomness.Also the randomness of the emperor's court... the female whose role is a mystery, and the fact that the emperor sits on a swing by the end of the video, among other things. All these contrast with the supposed serious role of the emperor.
The overall tone of the video was really over the top and random, not noble and serious.
I think this would actually be the other way around in some ways. Ne is static, hence discrete. Ti or Fi define relations between Ne phenomena.-Ne understands phenomena as whole and connected (such that it only concerns itself with persisting phenomena) but allows variations of the structure within the overall context (the context is determined by Si, Fi or Ti ??)
-Ni breaks apart phenomena into multiple, distinct pieces and maps the path of individual pieces as seperate from the original unified body of intuitions (this is where Se, Te or Fe come in to provide the context so that individual sub-pieces of Ni can be substantiated without recourse to the overall or collective intuitive perception).
Yeah, it sounds like you're taking more of an Ni viewpoint on it...But is the video dark? yes... I suppose it does have that element to it and you are astute in that observation. The video certainly is layered with Ni themes.
So I think we could just be observing two different sides of the same coin. Perhaps the video is just too complex for either interpretation to stand on its own... and any singular interpretation would be too subjective.
Yes I see that. When Ne finds a node it can't connect to the big picture, it uses Ti to generate a hypothesis to connect the two nodes together. That's my own experience anyway.
Ni ego types tend to espouse the idea that a single interpretation is too limited to capture all of a phenomenon, to the point of never settling on one. Ne ego types are more willing to make vague generalizations, like for the sake of getting an idea across, without being worried that some important but subtle detail is being overlooked.What do you mean?
It definitely seems likely, not based on strengths but ego characteristics.What do you think of the possibility of me being an Ni type? Also bear in my mind that I have strong Ni in my id somewhere if I am an Ne type... and vice versa if I am an Ni type.
Generally I find that quadras tend to stay within their own worldview (based primarily on their 4 valued aspects of reality), mainly out of lack of interest in the opposite quadra's. Take They Might Be Giants. It's a clearly Alpha NT band, and most of their songs are playful, with lots of double meanings - with one recent exception that's mostly about Se:Do you think that it was not alpha portrayal?
but you get the feeling that he has a distant respect for Se, and is ultimately a slave to it. I mean, it's called "I'm Impressed".
Alpha values Ne and Fe, so it's all about getting personal feelings and motivations "out there"; FeSi means a kind of feel-good mood. The double meanings in TMBG songs are always obvious (either you get it or you don't), but Tainted Love lets you drift in any number of possible directions; you can make up whatever story you want. Ni >> Ne.Also, can alpha not be dark and sardonic? Why do you associate that with Ni?
Yeah...Getting away from the emperor, I thought the video itself was quite playfull actually. Perhaps that makes me a kind of Ni psychopath.
Personally I think "classical socionics" is a ridiculous term. New ideas are always being incorporated into socionics, even if most are crackpotty and incoherent.I heard it mentioned that you use classical socionics... so I'm interested in your views about this.
This statement definitely sounds ILI.I'm not necessarily disagreeing of course... I'd like to know my true type naturally. But I am playing devil's advocate and trying to be as accurate as possible to how I think in order to see if my initial typing can be sufficiently disproved.
If you're referring to the first video: it's not a double meaning. There is no discrete choice between alternatives, so it's not static intuition. As for I'm Impressed, it's definitely about Se, but weak Se. Music generally has to be interpreted within the creator's type.Then the double meaning in the video is negated from being alpha on the basis of its distrubing quality?
It depends.Anyway, are you sure about alpha having only these quadra values? What about dry wit for instance... or mimicry of other quadras. I tend to do this a lot of the time. I particularly enjoy acting aristocratic around betas as a sort of satire (I question their perception of their social status from my "allegedly" superior fake social status). What I value most is the dynamic interaction itself... and the ability to be witty against changing circumstances. Being dry is just a more elaborate system of being witty, and requires more skill to master. Though I do indulge in the occasional vulgarity and shit jokes (actually I do this quite a lot).
I have no idea what you mean by this.Even pretending to be gamma requires the mastery of some system of social interaction that involves a kind of institutional exchange of ideas