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    I am not INFp at all. I will take it as a compliment that you see me as a Beta type though because I admire them for their beauty, humour, intelligence, drive, strength, perserverance, and straightforwardness.

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    What do you admire Deltas for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    What do you admire Deltas for?
    Seriousness, ability to live life to the fullest and making every minute counts, inquisitiveness, curiosity, lifelong learning, caringness, willingness to accept people who are different from them, kindness, ability to appreate the simplicity of life and feelingn contented with the basic neccessities.

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    What do you admire Alphas for?
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    What do you admire Alphas for?
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    you are an incorrigible moron.

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    niff I really don't understand why you'd even bother posting that. If you think eunice has a poor understanding of socionics and that any productive discussion with her is impossible between you two, why not just ignore it or if you're going to express your flat out disagreement do it in a way that isn't an attack? I've never seen eunice treat anyone with any level of disrespect ever, so to see her get shat on here just because you find her understanding of a theory wanting, well, that's flat out foolish imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eunice View Post
    Seriousness, ability to live life to the fullest and making every minute counts, inquisitiveness, curiosity, lifelong learning, caringness, willingness to accept people who are different from them, kindness, ability to appreate the simplicity of life and feelingn contented with the basic neccessities.
    So you admire Delta for their NF qualities and you admire Beta for their ST qualities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    you are an incorrigible moron.
    dude why do you bother posting stuff like this? what good comes of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eunice View Post
    Seriousness, ability to live life to the fullest and making every minute counts, inquisitiveness, curiosity, lifelong learning, caringness, willingness to accept people who are different from them, kindness, ability to appreate the simplicity of life and feelingn contented with the basic neccessities.
    How are the ones in bold not Delta ST characteristics? And most ISTps and ESTjs I know are also curious and love to explore new things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    you are an incorrigible moron.
    That's just REALLY bad people-skills right here. And you can't blame Fe PoLR because most ISTps and INTps are tons nicer than you. I considered reporting the post for being pointless spam. And they say makes people "practical".
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    Quote Originally Posted by eunice
    I am not INFp at all. I will take it as a compliment that you see me as a Beta type though because I admire them for their beauty, humour, intelligence, drive, strength, perserverance, and straightforwardness.
    you do seem delta NF to me and you have seemed delta NF for some time now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    you are an incorrigible moron.
    That's just REALLY bad people-skills right here. And you can't blame Fe PoLR because most ISTps and INTps are tons nicer than you. I considered reporting the post for being pointless spam. And they say makes people "practical".
    ok, that was mean of me, but you should at least try to a decent human being toward other human beings. It's not about social customs or whatever. it's about you making an extra effort to push people away. You didn't need to write that post, no one was forcing you into anything. Society isn't making it hard for you to adjust. It's all you - you take the time out of your othervise neutral day to write a negative post. In stead of doing nothing you actually spend energy for the "daily push people away" interaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    you are an incorrigible moron.
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    niff I really don't understand why you'd even bother posting that. If you think eunice has a poor understanding of socionics and that any productive discussion with her is impossible between you two, why not just ignore it or if you're going to express your flat out disagreement do it in a way that isn't an attack? I've never seen eunice treat anyone with any level of disrespect ever, so to see her get shat on here just because you find her understanding of a theory wanting, well, that's flat out foolish imo.
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    dude why do you bother posting stuff like this? what good comes of it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina View Post
    That's just REALLY bad people-skills right here. And you can't blame Fe PoLR because most ISTps and INTps are tons nicer than you. I considered reporting the post for being pointless spam. And they say makes people "practical".
    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina View Post
    ok, that was mean of me, but you should at least try to a decent human being toward other human beings. It's not about social customs or whatever. it's about you making an extra effort to push people away. You didn't need to write that post, no one was forcing you into anything. Society isn't making it hard for you to adjust. It's all you - you take the time out of your othervise neutral day to write a negative post. In stead of doing nothing you actually spend energy for the "daily push people away" interaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by electric View Post
    So you admire Delta for their NF qualities and you admire Beta for their ST qualities?
    Subtle, but true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    you are an incorrigible moron.
    This is uncalled for.

    Quote Originally Posted by esper View Post
    I support your self-typing, eunice. I admire Delta for their NF qualities too.


    Quote Originally Posted by electric View Post
    So you admire Delta for their NF qualities and you admire Beta for their ST qualities?
    Hmmmm, I feel that what I have written about Delta also extends to the STs as well.

    As for the Beta description, I feel that the qualities I have admired Beta STs for are my weaknesses to a certain extent and I need to put it quite an amount of effort to acquire them eg. having a sense of urgency, having an active lifestyle and a sense of discipline, strength to overcome all adversities in life and be the best in my speciality etc.

    Some of the qualities of Beta NFs are easier for me to understand and acquire.

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    What do you admire Alphas for?
    haha. I will talk about it anyway.

    Alpha types can be very childlike, but they are very astute and complex in terms of their thinking processes, more so than Delta types.

    Alpha SFs have the ability to make themselves likeable and they know exactly what people want. They are very pretty and know how to dress up well. They are natural conversationalists and whenever you talk to them, you just feel very warm.

    Whenever I have conversations with Alpha NTs, I find that they are always thinking on the spot and knows how to alter the situation to their advantage. They are generally good-looking just that they don't know how to extentuate their good qualities. They seem to have a lot of accomplishments without working too hard for it.

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    Agree with eunice. I think people mistype her as INFp for various reasons. I.e. She's enneagram type 4w5, like many INFps, some people haven't figured out that INFjs, particularly the Ne subtype, is often also 4w5. Same strong and weak functions, and also INFps and INFjs are both 2 of the most difficult to get to know. mysterious, separated from mainstream, weird (E 4,can't help it) types
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
    How are the ones in bold not Delta ST characteristics? And most ISTps and ESTjs I know are also curious and love to explore new things.
    Errr, eunice was pointing out Delta characteristics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina View Post
    That's just REALLY bad people-skills right here. And you can't blame Fe PoLR because most ISTps and INTps are tons nicer than you. I considered reporting the post for being pointless spam. And they say makes people "practical".
    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina View Post
    ok, that was mean of me, but you should at least try to a decent human being toward other human beings. It's not about social customs or whatever. it's about you making an extra effort to push people away. You didn't need to write that post, no one was forcing you into anything. Society isn't making it hard for you to adjust. It's all you - you take the time out of your othervise neutral day to write a negative post. In stead of doing nothing you actually spend energy for the "daily push people away" interaction.
    He's not making any "extra effort" to do anything. He's expressing something which is blatently obvious to him, and - taken in conjunction with his subjective analysis of eunice on wikisocion (which, if any of you bothered to read you'd understand why he thinks what he does) - is not spam. I'll admit that the way in which he jut blindly stated that might seem off-putting to some, but you have to understand his motivation for doing so.

    Quote Originally Posted by eunice View Post
    What, you're going to smile at someone agreeing with you without any justification for what she thinks?

    Hmmmm, I feel that what I have written about Delta also extends to the STs as well.
    I agree.
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    I have never seen eunice as beta NF because she lacks the edge that's almost visible in IEI posts. Maybe she's just a calm version, I'll try to keep an open mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
    How are the ones in bold not Delta ST characteristics? And most ISTps and ESTjs I know are also curious and love to explore new things.
    How many of those characteristics lead exactly to the elements Te and Si?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina View Post
    I have never seen eunice as beta NF because she lacks the edge that's almost visible in IEI posts. Maybe she's just a calm version, I'll try to keep an open mind.
    I don't think IEI's necessarily have an "edge" - especially Ni subtype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
    How are the ones in bold not Delta ST characteristics? And most ISTps and ESTjs I know are also curious and love to explore new things.
    Not all of a type's positive qualities are due to its ego elements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    I don't think IEI's necessarily have an "edge" - especially Ni subtype.
    yah they do, you just have to piss them off to see it
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    Quote Originally Posted by misutii View Post
    yah they do, you just have to piss them off to see it
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    IEIs definitely have an edge. I get no identical vibes from Eunice. However, I have seen that one video of her and it seemed to me she was ESI ... just a notion with no hard justification though.

    LOL @ Niffweed ... he's just being himself. Why get riled up?


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    I accept eunice as INFj; I mean, a lot of the stuff she talks about (like helping the community ect.) I don't identify with, or find myself caring about. I saw a video she posted a while back and she did not really strike me as INFp.

    By the way eunice is super sweet, too sweet to be an angsty INFp.
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    I really have no idea what to think about Eunice.

    I know what SL means when she seems ISFj. However Eunice talks a lot about her "imagination", and how she does it sort of makes ISFj seem distant.

    I see an extreme lack of significant evidence, or at least anything I can use, so I am not really able to say anything much with force about her. She seems to like the idea of having a caregiver dual, Ne/Si interaction, and being infantile, so I don't have any major marks against it.

    From what I know, a lot of INFjs don't particularly relate to Eunice. But apparently not a lot of INFps do either. So, oh well. That again perhaps points to a lack of data to really come up with anything conclusive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    From what I know, a lot of INFjs don't particularly relate to Eunice. But apparently not a lot of INFps do either. So, oh well. That again perhaps points to a lack of data to really come up with anything conclusive.
    Which INFjs? Just asking because there doesn't seem to be many uncontested INFjs here. Also it would be interesting to know whether they relate to each other.
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    Ritella, Christy B, I think RC said she didn't relate to her, when she was around. I'm not sure about Minde, Sereno, or Munenori. I've not asked them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    I really have no idea what to think about Eunice.

    I know what SL means when she seems ISFj. However Eunice talks a lot about her "imagination", and how she does it sort of makes ISFj seem distant.

    I see an extreme lack of significant evidence, or at least anything I can use, so I am not really able to say anything much with force about her. She seems to like the idea of having a caregiver dual, Ne/Si interaction, and being infantile, so I don't have any major marks against it.

    From what I know, a lot of INFjs don't particularly relate to Eunice. But apparently not a lot of INFps do either. So, oh well. That again perhaps points to a lack of data to really come up with anything conclusive.
    Errr... Yeah.

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    Just thought I would like to share some random events and thoughts:

    My encounter with an INTj:

    I attended a two-day workshop on Interview and Selection. Instead of going straight to the topic of interest, the INTj instructor deviated quite a bit by sharing some interesting anecdotes and basically his life story and achievements. Even though he attempted to link them to his points, I was a little irritated by the deviation which took up quite a substantial part of the course. I would have preferred him to be on track rather than ramble on about something which is distantly related to the topic of interest.

    I am also someone who prefers issues to be in black and white rather have gray areas, even though I know it is impossible. Hence, I prefer things to be either right or wrong. Moreover, I like people who are quick decision makers and do things fast because I am not like that. lol. I am someone who needs to read everything to the detail before making a decision. Hence, I am quite slow in making a decision because I need to understand something very thoroughly first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eunice View Post
    Even though he attempted to link them to his points, I was a little irritated by the deviation which took up quite a substantial part of the course. I would have preferred him to be on track rather than ramble on about something which is distantly related to the topic of interest.
    Ti, maybe?

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    I am also someone who prefers issues to be in black and white rather have gray areas, even though I know it is impossible. Hence, I prefer things to be either right or wrong.
    Ti (+ Se)?

    Quote Originally Posted by eunice
    Moreover, I like people who are quick decision makers and do things fast because I am not like that. lol. I am someone who needs to read everything to the detail before making a decision. Hence, I am quite slow in making a decision because I need to understand something very thoroughly first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by eunice View Post
    Moreover, I like people who are quick decision makers and do things fast because I am not like that. lol. I am someone who needs to read everything to the detail before making a decision. Hence, I am quite slow in making a decision because I need to understand something very thoroughly first.
    Se?
    this seems like she values & seeks Se imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elro View Post
    Ti, maybe?


    Ti (+ Se)?


    Se?
    If we take these statements as being very type indicative, I think you've kind of got it right, elro. Especially the desire for things to be black and white, imo. But I like eunice.
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    willingness to accept people who are different from them...
    Uh, all quadras do this but in different ways. I'm not trying to sound like I have a grudge against Gammas here, but the most naturally close-minded quadra would probably be them wouldn't it?

    Deltas are great (especially EIIs) at fitting in misfits (let's use being gay as an example ;p) inside the more normalized social sphere, but when it comes down to truly understanding the gritty, raw nature of minorities... Beta does it best. A Delta would encourage you to lose some of your rawness to be more likeable to the majority. They accept you okay, as long as you behave more "white" and socially appropriate to other people. It's actually a form of mild discrimination. I'm not gonna get all upset about this (that's just silly) but it kinda just goes to show you how all systems created to fight something kinda always naturally backfire against themselves in one way or another.

    A gay-friendly Delta would go to GLAAD or P-flag, but I could never see one of them going to Act up! for example. If I'm wrong then prove me wrong. Act up is too loud and 'in your face gay' and angry/aggressive for most non-betas to handle. A gay-friendly Beta would have no hang-ups about act up though and aggressively fighting homophobia instead of mediating it or trying to appear nice to heterosexuals. "We want to fit in vs. we want to change the world." This is a function thing as well though.

    And I'm with the Beta side, because when real changes were made that's the only thing that did work. The more cutesy and nicer forms of activism could only be created after the fact. I <3 Larry Kramer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eunice View Post
    Just thought I would like to share some random events and thoughts:

    My encounter with an INTj:

    I attended a two-day workshop on Interview and Selection. Instead of going straight to the topic of interest, the INTj instructor deviated quite a bit by sharing some interesting anecdotes and basically his life story and achievements. Even though he attempted to link them to his points, I was a little irritated by the deviation which took up quite a substantial part of the course. I would have preferred him to be on track rather than ramble on about something which is distantly related to the topic of interest.

    I am also someone who prefers issues to be in black and white rather have gray areas, even though I know it is impossible. Hence, I prefer things to be either right or wrong. Moreover, I like people who are quick decision makers and do things fast because I am not like that. lol. I am someone who needs to read everything to the detail before making a decision. Hence, I am quite slow in making a decision because I need to understand something very thoroughly first.
    god are you a moron

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    Quote Originally Posted by eunice View Post
    Just thought I would like to share some random events and thoughts:

    My encounter with an INTj:

    I attended a two-day workshop on Interview and Selection. Instead of going straight to the topic of interest, the INTj instructor deviated quite a bit by sharing some interesting anecdotes and basically his life story and achievements. Even though he attempted to link them to his points, I was a little irritated by the deviation which took up quite a substantial part of the course. I would have preferred him to be on track rather than ramble on about something which is distantly related to the topic of interest.

    I am also someone who prefers issues to be in black and white rather have gray areas, even though I know it is impossible. Hence, I prefer things to be either right or wrong. Moreover, I like people who are quick decision makers and do things fast because I am not like that. lol. I am someone who needs to read everything to the detail before making a decision. Hence, I am quite slow in making a decision because I need to understand something very thoroughly first.
    UDP does this as well. You share little anecdotes which you hope will make people see "the truth" when it's clearly bullshit in the face of every remotely sensible person who reads it. Then you make a stupid comment like "I would love to be a Beta but I'm not", which you believe will make people think "ha! then she must not be a Beta!", which is ironic, because no Delta would "love" to be a Beta, otherwise they wouldn't be a Delta.

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    Can I just say that it's not the type confusion that pisses me off; it's the sheer fucking pretense that rolls out of your mouths that makes me act so unbecoming towards you and UDP. For all I care, you could be a fucking ESE. But when you attempt to argue for something which is completely pitiful, I have nothing but contempt for you people. Drop the act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    Can I just say that it's not the type confusion that pisses me off; it's the sheer fucking pretense that rolls out of your mouths that makes me act so unbecoming towards you and UDP. For all I care, you could be a fucking ESE. But when you attempt to argue for something which is completely pitiful, I have nothing but contempt for you people. Drop the act.
    i'm sort of convinced that in her case, she's just really really stupid and honestly believes this stuff that gets fed to her.

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    Actually what she's describing sounds like a Ti-valuing person reacting to a Te person; that is, the "INTj" would be making his case by giving examples, which he was using to validate the points he was making, but she saw them as "deviation" since she'd have preferred to have the point more elaborated on its own merits, without the examples. That would be my guess.
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    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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