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    What, if any, functions/IM elements/dichotomies/whatever do you see in the following paragraph?

    I have pretty much given up on the theory, or at least set it aside for now. So, instead, I am looking at and doing what drew me to the theory in the first place - people and how they work. I'm doing it in my own way with my own foci. It is my own, very personal model of human reality. And what I choose to focus on depends on my own current interest, which, unlike my model, I do not intend to be firm. My interest may remain or it may shift, and I don't care either way, though I realize it may disconcert some. On the other hand, I would like my understanding to be right and true, which means that it will not vary and change with a whim. I want to develop seeds and foundations of reality, upon which the rest of reality stands and can be built. What is built upon it may change and differ according to time and circumstance, but the kernel, the pattern, will remain correct - or, at least, that's what I want from it.
    Additionally and not quite as importantly, who here, if any, identifies with any part of it?
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    Mainly .
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
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    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    *dies a little inside*
    Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.

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    Ti dominance jumps out at me.
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    I re-read it, and that could probably be used as a description of Ti dominance.
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    *dies yet a little more*
    Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.

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    Yeah, sorry Minde but I'm an ISTj and I definitely relate to the paragraph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    I have pretty much given up on the theory, or at least set it aside for now. So, instead, I am looking at and doing what drew me to the theory in the first place - people and how they work. I'm doing it in my own way with my own foci. It is my own, very personal model of human reality. And what I choose to focus on depends on my own current interest, which, unlike my model, I do not intend to be firm. My interest may remain or it may shift, and I don't care either way, though I realize it may disconcert some. On the other hand, I would like my understanding to be right and true, which means that it will not vary and change with a whim. I want to develop seeds and foundations of reality, upon which the rest of reality stands and can be built. What is built upon it may change and differ according to time and circumstance, but the kernel, the pattern, will remain correct - or, at least, that's what I want from it.
    Yeah, seems
    It's very subjective.
    Seems to emphasis a static truth

    As for what it says about the author, who knows. One paragraph can easily be taken out of context.
    Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    What, if any, functions/IM elements/dichotomies/whatever do you see in the following paragraph?
    That, to me, is quite clearly Ti.

    Was it Smilingeyes who wrote it?

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    Not sure whether that's less unflattering.
    Probably not. I guess I was just being unrealistically optimistic. What can I say - hope springs eternal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    If you have a reason not to reach a certain conclusion - or to want to reach a conclusion - that may sort of overrule your logical analysis of the available evidence.

    A reason is, for instance, your relationship to a certain person. One example is, for instance, the parents with difficulty to accept that their beloved daughter has committed a crime, despite all the evidence pointing in that direction. Or that a kidnapped child is probably already dead, despite, again, the logic and evidence strongly suggesting that. Etc.
    Ah, I see.

    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    I suspect Expat was meaning something along the lines of your relationship to the person (what you think of them) interfering in the actual objective judgment of the person/quote. Perhaps taken further, your relationship with the person (if particularly positive or negative, especially), might make you want that person to be of a certain type/functional composure, and that wanting to see them as something might affect your judgment more than looking at things objectively. But we'll have to wait for Expat to see what he really meant.
    Hm, perhaps, perhaps...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    That, to me, is quite clearly Ti.

    Was it Smilingeyes who wrote it?
    No, the author is most certainly not Smilingeyes. Not even close. Unless you mean in the socionics sense. Because last I knew he would put this person in his own quadra. But, no, he had nothing to do with its writing.

    Now, so far, I would think that this fits nicely into everybody's built up ideas on the matter. Especially for those who consider SE a Ti type. However, knowing the real author, it throws me even more off balance.

    The problem arises because it is indeed a very natural and spontaneous piece of thought from a person who most would have said is not a Ti type.
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    @sunshine: I see what you mean


    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    Probably not. I guess I was just being unrealistically optimistic. What can I say - hope springs eternal.


    Ah, I see.


    Hm, perhaps, perhaps...


    No, the author is most certainly not Smilingeyes. Not even close. Unless you mean in the socionics sense. Because last I knew he would put this person in his own quadra. But, no, he had nothing to do with its writing.

    Now, so far, I would think that this fits nicely into everybody's built up ideas on the matter. Especially for those who consider SE a Ti type. However, knowing the real author, it throws me even more off balance.

    The problem arises because it is indeed a very natural and spontaneous piece of thought from a person who most would have said is not a Ti type.
    So far we have "In smilingeyes' quadra", (which is Delta, correct?), you know the author, and you know the author well enough to know what a spontaneous response is. Also, the author is someone who actually knows socionics, and apparently has been at it for some time, coming and going away from it. However you did say "most would have said is not a Ti type". I wonder who the author is.
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    Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    I wonder who the author is.
    It was the butler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    @sunshine: I see what you mean



    So far we have "In smilingeyes' quadra", (which is Delta, correct?)
    IMO I do not think this author is from delta, at least in my understanding and experience of delta. Seems IJ, rational first for sure- Ti or Fi.
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    Who cares. The sun is shining today and I have been out running for an hour and a half. My body is quietly buzzing. I am seeing friends this afternoon, and we will bask in the light and warmth of the sun, and spend good time with people that I love.

    The air is good, there is a slight but only slight, cooling breeze. How green does the grass look in the sun? HAHAHAHAHAHA

    Isn't life something to love?

    Your paragraph says to me....love. in everysense. And it is yours for the taking, if you just free yourself from the forum.
    Last edited by Cyclops; 05-31-2008 at 11:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Who cares. The sun is shining today and I have been out running for an hour and a half. My body is quietly buzzing. I am seeing friends this afternoon, and we will bask in the light and warmth of the sun, and spend good time with people that I love.

    The air is good, there is a slight but only slight, cooling breeze. How green does the grass look in the sun? HAHAHAHAHAHA

    Isn't life something to love?

    Your paragraph says to me....love. in everysense. And it is yours for the taking, if you just free yourself from the forum.
    I wanted to quote this again. Minde it is totally obvious that you wrote that paragraph. This quoted post of mine..it was directed at you..as the author of the paragraph.

    Your paragraph had little to do with Ti. It had to do with understanding and knowing yourself and knowing that something is confusing you but that you do not know what it is..but I somehow suspect you've got am idea nonetheless.

    Now how many posts have you made, how many people have responded here, and no one (well seems like no one) has recognised you. What use is their interpretation of socionics if they apparently haven't taken the time to *read* you and understand you? Can these people really help?

    In regards to your type, you are either ISFj or INFj I think. Of course you could be another type. But my recommendation is to take some time out in quiet reflection, even perhaps forget about socionics for a while. Then when you look at it again, and to a point your own self, I somehow think it will all come to you personally. This is more or less what I was looking to convey to you here, as I noticed this thread

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