That's interesting because I feel the same way about.
It's fascinating, but I feel like I can't quite wrap my mind around the concept.
Ni
Si
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Te
That's interesting because I feel the same way about
It's fascinating, but I feel like I can't quite wrap my mind around the concept.
INFj
9w1 sp/sx
For me it's probaby, too.
Originally Posted by implied
I often find myself thinking what isor what is
Actually the same thing happens for
i actually agreed with something that mikemex posted about Ne a while ago, that it's taking characteristics from objects and moving them around, something that Se won't do.
I think I have a better idea of Ni than before, but considering it's been fuzzy for the entire time i've been at this forum, i don't know if that says much. Te also to some extent but more because i can't find a perfect definition for it, but I think I can recognize Te in real life.
ARRRGGGHHH! I hate to harp on semantics, but "functions" are the places in the the psyche in which elements sit, e.g. base, role, suggestive, etc. Ne, Fe, Se, Te, Ni, Si, Ti, and Fi are "elements" or "aspects". This is an important distinction because information is different from behavior. For example, Se is not "aggression", but a base function of Se is often expressed as aggression. Oh well. I'm probably just being a douche about this.
Anywho, I don't understand
JRiddy
—————King of Socionics—————
Ne-ENTp 7w8 sx/so
Yeah you are, socionics terminology is not set in stone, it's not mathematics, there is no central authority on the matter
Anyway I think I don't understand Fi and Si particularly well
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
i think i ask niffweed the most questions about Si and Se, so I'll say those.
whenever the dog and i see each other we both stop where we are. we regard each other with a mixture of sadness and suspicion and then we feign indifference.
Jerry, The Zoo Story by Edward Albee
^^ you tell them JRiddy
and
n00bIEE
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Suomea
I'm not really sure which function I least understand, since I'm slowly learning things about each of them all the time...I dunno, I suppose
ILI (Indescribable Lovemaking Inc.)
5w4 so/sx
"IP temperament! Because today's concerns are tomorrow's indifferences!"
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I like this line of reasoning. I still believe the terms are important, but you are absolutely correct to point out that there is no central authority. I really don't care what we decide to call these different things (information and behavior) as long as we make the distinction.
Fi's tough for me too.
JRiddy
—————King of Socionics—————
Ne-ENTp 7w8 sx/so
I used to have greater difficulties with some of the elements until I began to conceptualize and think about them in analogous relationships with similar other functions. For example, I graspedand
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
Mmm, I'd say I have good conceptual understandings of each information element, but the one I have the most trouble explaining is
is well enough, but not so much how it plays into how a person sees and acts.
I also agree with Ms. Kensington that I wouldn't know how to properly articulate
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
I have absolutely no conception of what
And I agree with JRiddy here, calling informational metabolism elements functions is unjustified in socionics for the reasons he mentioned.
Fi. It's a function I've never been able to get my head around. I just don't understand what it encompasses at all.
Ne, I guess.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
lol
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain
"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius
is the most difficult function for me to really understand
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain
"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius
IEI-Fe 4w3
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
Fi probably... I also have a really hard time recognizing Fi types.
delta nf (?) ... 4w5 (?)
you know actually... Fi might be in the running too. Prior to a conversation i had with the lovely anndelise a few weeks ago, I think I had no idea what Fi was either. but now i have a little picture of what it's like.
I think i probablly understood socionics better in my first year than now lol. That is the way of me, interested at first then things slowly fade.
I have to agree that
ENFp (Unsure of Subtype)
"And the day came when the risk it took to remain closed in a bud became more painful than the risk it took to blossom." - Anaïs Nin
By the looks of things, we need the Ni gurus to come in and expound its virtues i think.
Where's Niffweed?
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."
, predictions and day-dreamy-ness? Probably
D-SEI
This is me and my dual being scientific together
probably
i'm not sure i understand
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
Probably
"To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"
"Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."
You should've done a poll, Starfall. Then we could see the spread of what functions are understood and what are not (we'd assume that those least voted for were least understood).
i just added one onto the thread.
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
Totally! I get this all the time from an ENFp guy I know. He simply won't abide my bitching or complaining about someone and will cast the arched brow and the disapproving frown.
I find it rather odd to be chided when I'm generally considered the more "morally adherent" one in any group.
socio: INFp - IEI
ennea: 4w5 sp/sx
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me too. i don't get it at all. prolly because i don't perceive relational connections very well. don't really get the attraction-repulsion thing since i don't feel it except in the most exteme relations, like repulsion with ESI and attraction with ESE, IEI, SEI, SLI. and even then i'm only well tuned in to how i feel not how the other person feels. and, i can't see it as much between other people either.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
"chided" now that's a word that is uncomfortable.
Funny how out of the twelve people who have voted so far, every single person feels they understand at least one function less than they do Se.
Why is that funny? (curious)
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