Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
Hm, I think I've confused the characters... Anyways, how about:
Haruko Haruhara: SLE > ILE
Samejimi Mamimi: IEI
Nandaba Naota: ILI or IEI (would an IEI be that serious and annoyed with adults who act like teenagers?)
LII? I guess that could work for him, though the show itself seems pretty Beta, from what I remember
I only listed IEI and ILI because he seemed IP to me, but I haven't seen it in years. He's almost certainly an introvert though.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
socio: INFp - IEI
ennea: 4w5 sp/sx
**********
Originally Posted by Mark Twain
lol
Not sure why I said that at the time. I think I was thinking of the randomness of it as Ne, but now I'm not so sure. What do you think?
I see no evidence at all of a Se PoLR (and they generally tend to stand out to me). And he seems pretty aristocratic.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
Hm...
It would probably be wise for me to just say it's a vibe and leave it at that... Any attempt I could make to describe it would just piss people off. And I know most people don't see Se PoLR types the same way I do, so it wouldn't really be of any use anyways.
Even so, I'm not sure I can describe it well enough to be of use to anyone else. It's a very subject stance... the perspective of a Se valuer who grew up with a younger Se PoLR sibling and later married someone with a Se PoLR and really doesn't have anything nice to say about that particular aspect of those people.
The best case scenario would be that I annoy people. The worst case scenario would be that I perpetuate negative stereotypes. The most likely scenario is that people will say "but the same words could be used to describe this type and this type and this type" without really understanding what I'm getting at, and that what I'm saying isn't true because they're not like that or such and such a description says this other thing, again, without really understanding what I'm getting at. Or simply disagree with me because what one person sees as a weakness, another sees as a strength.
So yeah, like I was saying, let's just call it a vibe... an overall impression I have from the interactions with and observations of various Se PoLR types I've known irl.
Sure, but I'm about to watch House with Peter, so I'll IM you tomorrow.
Sorry to ask but what is the evidence of Luffy and Naruto for SEE?
I identify strongly with both characters yet I am now unsure why.
It could be the xFxp thing.
As for evidence... maybe I'll write something up later. I'm not sure what kind of "evidence" you're looking for though (that seems a strange word to me when talking about someone's type). Did you read discojoe's post about it (I think it was this thread, but I'm not sure).
He's definitely SEE though, and a very exaggerated one at that. Ti PoLR, Fi creative, Se dominance. He's pretty much a caricature of as SEE.
His type was discussed in this thread.
Is it possible for me to have this "Naruto/Monkey" kooky yet very capable style and still be INFp?
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...3&postcount=46
I don't really know you well enough to compare and contrast you to them (or to Vash). Naruto and Luffy capable in their relationships and in that they're strong fighters. In what ways are you capable? (I imagine you weren't referring to kicking people's asses, lol.) The kookiness could just be an xFxp thing.
How many episodes have you seen? Also, are you watching the English subbed version?
Or it can be identification with the characters through an attraction to the ESxp.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
good point
Maybe it is escapism.
I hope it's not. I hope that it's just my environment that's flavorless.
Joy, I feel, and not only feel but want and must, become a big figure in this world. Not in a silly superficial "fame" and "glory" way but I have dreams for my character and I won't feel complete until I fulfill them.
Dammit all this must sound deflating over the internet.
So yeah, I want a stable career in film and philosophy. I mean being a writer won't make me rich but it keeps my creativity flowing and a roof on my head. I got into film just in case my dreams were just dreams, that way as a last resort I could at least show them to people.
Is it too naive to want to be a 'hero' in this day and age? It seems a bit silly, I suppose. I guess I just want opportunities to be righteous and defeat 'evil' (for want of a less fairytale word). But I don't want the huge pat on the back or the appreciation, I want it because I want to be that guy.
Awesome/Childish Post FTW?
EDIT: Yeah, I am on episode 5. I try and watch subbed not dubbed but I'm not picky.
Last edited by Mr Saturn; 06-11-2008 at 07:35 PM.
You should be more confident about getting what you want. Be like Luffy... It's people like that who become enormously successful. Seriously, Luffy does everything right.
He never questions for a moment whether or not he'll be Pirate King. And even more importantly, he doesn't get impatient because he's not Pirate King yet, he just enjoys each moment. He has fun along the way, seeing the journey itself as an awesome adventure. He always finds things to appreciate and admire (even if it's his enemy's abilities, lol). He never feels threatened. If he's not strong enough to get through a problem, he never worries that he'll fail. He just gets stronger. He surrounds himself with people who are smarter than he is. People follow him because he believes in himself and them.
Anyways, I think that admiring Luffy's attitude and determination is great. Don't let anyone tell you that you're not being realistic just because you have big dreams. That's how people who are wildly successful became wildly successful; they had big dreams that they knew they'd accomplish and didn't let anyone tell them any differently.
Then that is what I shall do.
Thanks, Joy.
I should add that most of the people you come in contact with are going to see it that way. Don't let that discourage you or make you wonder if they're right though. Ask yourself where they are and where they're going. If it's not where you want to end up, then it's not a good idea to listen to their directions.
[EDIT: The opinions I had back in 2012 were idiotic. Please ignore them @Resonare]
One Piece Corrections:
Luffy: ESFP ILE I believe you're confusing his Socionics type with his ESFP MBTI type. The guy is certainly not Se leading in Socionics, wanting to be pirate king so that he can be truly free rather than out of any will to be in power over others. Also look at how he likes collecting his Nakama, it's all about 'ooooh! new possibilities!!!' rather than 'You have demonstrated that you will be a useful asset to this team'. That and his complete lack of Socionics Fi show how he could never be SEE. Then again, he could just be an ESE.
Zoro: ISTP LSI (DEFINITELY Ne vulnerable rather than Ne suggestive, just look at his face whenever Luffy does something unexpected). Also he is far too self-disciplined and rigorous to be Si leading. VERY uncompromising once he has decided on a principle too... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PIbx4oy0OE
Nami: ENFP SEE - she seems to be spurred on by gaining immediate concrete wealth in most of her interactions, she quickly takes charge in most situations, using blunt force when necessary (I'm aware this could also be well developed Se in the role form). At the same time, she is a perfect example of Socionics Fi in the creative form, managing her relations with her nakama with ease in order to ensure she is treated like a princess.
Sanji: ESFJ LSE - Procedural and managing personality, suggesting a Socionics EJ type over IJ, His direct nature (when not in the presence of Nami) and detailed, practical knowledge of cooking suggest Te leading. Further evidence to this is shown in his tendency to describe a detailed cooking procedure when attacking a person e.g. "First, when dealing with an onion you must cut off its roots". Clearly prioritises good care in his cooking (creative Si) over forceful discipline (which would be his demonstrative Se). Also note his Mobilising Ne - creative in his cooking but quite unchanging in his world views.
Brook: ESE
Mr 2 Bon Kurei: ENFP EIE <<Thought I'd add this one in.
I would agree with a lot of the One Piece villains as SLE... Arlong, Morgan etc. although I'm not sure about Crocodile yet. Then again he could be an INTJ SLE which would explain the difference between him and an ESTP SLE Arlong or an ENTJ SLE Morgan. I agree that LSI is a possibility.
Why are you so sure about Luffy and Nami?
Also Aokiji seems like a strong candidate for SLI.
As for Akainu... A VERY extreme example of LSI.
Tom (the fishman who teaches Franky) is an SEI.
Last edited by World Socionics; 05-30-2017 at 09:21 AM.
As for The Last Airbender...
Legend of Aang
Aang - IEI
Katara - ESI
Sokka - ILE
Toph - SLI
Zuko - LSI
Azula - SLE
Mai - ILI
Ty Lee - IEE
Iroh - SEI
Jet - SEE
Zhao - SLE
Ozai - SLE
Legend of Korra
Korra - SLE
Tenzin - LII
Bolin - ESE
Lin Beifong - LSE
Last edited by World Socionics; 06-03-2012 at 01:39 AM.
The Legend of Korra
Korra - ESFp
Tenzin - INTj
Mako - INTp or ENTj
Bolin - ESFj
Asami - INFj
Lin - ESTj
Toph - Obvious ISTp
Amon - INTj
Zaheer - ISTj
Kuvira - Obvious ESTp
Grimmjow Jaegerjaques: SLE-Se 8w7 Sx/So.
Also: ESI for Ichigo is spot on, makes me wonder what type Aizen is (considering the latest Bleach chapters)... his dual?
Te-Ni would fit the "grand scheme" style, as well as the symbolic Si-PoLR theme - defeated through overestimation of his own body, strapped to a chair as a method of containing him etc... from another perspective: Victim style much? I pondered EIE first because I fell for the "villain = aristocratic" stereotype but he is far too controlled in his expression, somewhat tolerates flexible alliances and seems comfortable with Ti (see Arrancar ranks, for instance). Bleach is quite Gamma in almost everything so LIE would be symptomatic. Which opens the next question, which type is Ywach? Alpha?