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    Default Mirror type differences: SEI-ISFp and ESE-ESFj

    How can I tell the difference between them.

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    EJs tend to have more of a vibe of control. You can sense it in them. EJs seem more deliberate and controlled with their mental states, whereas IPs are more flowing and with the Fe sub ISFps, I see them as roundish energy moving freely along as opposed to the Fe ESFjs who seem like this more focused energy (if you imagine a triangle upside down with one point on the bottom, open the point slightly, and I see Fe ESFjs as having an energy flow coming out of that opening but being channeled by the triangular sides).

    Other than my own personal metaphor...lol

    Fe ISFps can be outgoing like Fe ESFjs but I think Fe ISFps don't have the same intensity level and can't usually carry on high external energy as long as the Fe ESFjs can. Stevie Wonder is a good example of a Fe ESFj - a stereotypical one lol. Fe ISFps have a more subdued look to them, especially in their eyes, and on average there seems to be more of a relaxedness to them.

    Fe ISFps on this forum that I know of are: Dolphin, Kamangir, and maybe one or two others.

    I don't think there are any Fe ESFjs on here though, interestingly enough.

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    Can you think of some more celebrities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    EJs tend to have more of a vibe of control. You can sense it in them. EJs seem more deliberate and controlled with their mental states, whereas IPs are more flowing and with the Fe sub ISFps, I see them as roundish energy moving freely along as opposed to the Fe ESFjs who seem like this more focused energy (if you imagine a triangle upside down with one point on the bottom, open the point slightly, and I see Fe ESFjs as having an energy flow coming out of that opening but being channeled by the triangular sides).
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    My husband is Fe-ESFj and my dad is Fe-ISFp. The ESE is more antsy and likes to feel like he's accomplishing things at all times. The SEI is more relaxed and content sitting down to a huge meal EVEN IF the kitchen isn't cleaned up yet (imagine that!!)

    If the ESE misses a turn while driving, he curses. If the SEI misses a turn while driving, he simply sighs and makes a U-turn when he can without a word. lol

    I could probably think of more but those are the first that come to mind at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    If the ESE misses a turn while driving, he curses. If the SEI misses a turn while driving, he simply sighs and makes a U-turn when he can without a word. lol
    whoa. me and my ESFj friend do the EXACT same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confused84 View Post
    Can you think of some more celebrities.
    Fe ESFj: Robin Williams, Jackie Gleason, Jay Leno, Whitney Houston

    Fe ISFp: Adam Sandler, Britney Spears, Mariah Carey, Paul McCartney, Thomas Ian Nicholas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    Fe ISFp: Adam Sandler, Britney Spears, Mariah Carey, Paul McCartney, Thomas Ian Nicholas
    Britney's an ISFp??? NOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo!!!!!
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    She's actually ESFp.
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    swot i thought
    "Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamangir View Post
    She's actually ESFp.
    That's what certain "authorities" have deemed it, but I just don't see the Se with her. And fwiw, Fe ISFps aren't as introverted as the Si ones, or as introverted as one may expect them to be, that's probably why she's labeled ESFp.

    Here's an example of a Si ISFp: http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...h+Images&gbv=2

    Also check out this interview:


    Forlani is more introverted seeming than Britney Spears is - Si ISFps tend to be more reflective/analytical than Fe ones.

    Britney Spears:

    I mean she just uses Fe - I don't see Fi with her. And she's much softer/gentler than an ESFp would be

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    MY GOD.

    She talks like me. I feel so ashamed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamangir View Post
    MY GOD.

    She talks like me. I feel so ashamed.
    hahahahaha

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    I just found something interesting.

    Here's a Fe ISFp (Mariah) vs a Fi ESFp (Luther) to compare.



    IMO Luther's got a bit more of a cutting edge than Mariah does - she's kinda chill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamangir View Post
    MY GOD.

    She talks like me. I feel so ashamed.
    =/
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    same here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theMime. View Post
    =/
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    same here.
    lol well it's awesome that you guys are seeing it though.

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    I have always had a soft spot for Britney even now I don't think she's that hot anymore but I still have a soft spot for her.

    And I have always like Mariah Carrey too.

    I hate the music but I like the artists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    lol well it's awesome that you guys are seeing it though.
    No no.
    No no no no, Steve.
    What is awesome is your avatar. THAT is awesome.

    *happy sigh* ahhh the beach. ahhh the waves! =) =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by confused84 View Post
    I have always had a soft spot for Britney even now I don't think she's that hot anymore
    Yeah I agree - she lost her hotness once she kinda became trashy.

    Compare this:



    With this:



    It's like night and day in terms of what I'm attracted to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theMime. View Post
    No no.
    No no no no, Steve.
    What is awesome is your avatar. THAT is awesome.

    *happy sigh* ahhh the beach. ahhh the waves! =) =)
    Hahaha thanks - Yeah lately I'm in the mood to ride and crash in the waves, not even just sit on the beach, as nice as that is in itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    Hahaha thanks - Yeah lately I'm in the mood to ride and crash in the waves, not even just sit on the beach, as nice as that is in itself.
    Yes so much fun.
    It can be really peacfull too.
    =)

    ...not to mention pretty...that wave in ur avatar is yummy eye candy.

    Hey I just noticed that Brittany Spears looks like a barbie!

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    She was still hot when she was trashy but after having her children and shaving her head that's when she became unattractive in my opinion.

    I like her the most in between the innocent and trashy period.
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    I think Nolwenn Leroy of France is an ISFP-Fe. Here she is imitating Maria (what a good job!):



    Here she is as herself talking with Maria on Star Academy:




    And herself singing the song Nolwenn Oh-Ohwo!:



    At first I thought she was ESFJ-Fe or maybe even Si subtype, but after some thought I think she is ISFP subtype Fe . . .What do you guys think???
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    Quote Originally Posted by theMime. View Post
    Yes so much fun.
    It can be really peacfull too.
    =)

    ...not to mention pretty...that wave in ur avatar is yummy eye candy.

    Hey I just noticed that Brittany Spears looks like a barbie!
    Yeah, even being fully engaged physically in a place like that can be really peaceful

    Yeah she does look like one lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christy B View Post

    At first I thought she was ESFJ-Fe or maybe even Si subtype, but after some thought I think she is ISFP subtype Fe . . .What do you guys think???
    Hm, I looked up some pics of her - not sure, somehow I think she could be Delta, like Fi ENFp. But I'll have to look into her more. She has a certain seriousness on her face that seems more akin to Delta than Alpha, as an initial impression, but I can't rule out Alpha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    Hm, I looked up some pics of her - not sure, somehow I think she could be Delta, like Fi ENFp. But I'll have to look into her more. She has a certain seriousness on her face that seems more akin to Delta than Alpha, as an initial impression, but I can't rule out Alpha.
    Hmmm. . . Maybe she is Delta. I am delta and have been compared to her (I thought because of black hair, white skin, hight/ weight and blue eyes) but I thought she seemed more "carefree" than delta. ENFP could be a possiblity. . . hmmmm I really thought she was ISFP though. Seems to value Si from what I have seen, though this may just be because she is a celebrity and a bunch of people work on her to make her look sharp. . . I might even look like I was good at Si hahahah!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christy B View Post
    Hmmm. . . Maybe she is Delta. I am delta and have been compared to her (I thought because of black hair, white skin, hight/ weight and blue eyes) but I thought she seemed more "carefree" than delta. ENFP could be a possiblity. . . hmmmm I really thought she was ISFP though. Seems to value Si from what I have seen, though this may just be because she is a celebrity and a bunch of people work on her to make her look sharp. . . I might even look like I was good at Si hahahah!!!
    I tried to find another interview of her but I couldn't - that would help if there was another one out there.

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    Hmmm - I don't think I come across like Britney (yes!) - then again I'm pretty sure I'm an Si subtype. I'm a bit more understated like Mariah Carey ... a bit like Forlani too.
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    Oh. My. God.

    Britney is ISFp-Fe. Oh god, I'm jumping ship!

    Ok, so probably not. But shit, I hope I'm never that messed up. I kinda feel sorry for her, she needs hugs and support

    I'm ISFp-Fe, my hubby is either ESFp or ESFj. Most likely ESFp. I tend to appear more outgoing than him, but by the end of a night out in large groups I will be nanna napping on the couch and he will just be getting started!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bee View Post
    I kinda feel sorry for her, she needs hugs and support
    That's exactly it I want to give her hugs and support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    I tried to find another interview of her but I couldn't - that would help if there was another one out there.

    There are lots actually dailymotion has more stuff than youtube:


    http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance...e-cauet_family

    http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance...e-cauet_events

    http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance...le-best_family


    a live performance:
    http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance...lavoine_family

    After looking at these three especially the first one- I can see her as delta. The way she makes jokes seems delta. She actually makes similar jokes to things asked of her in a way I might do. I don't know any ENFP-Fi so I am not sure about that, but you tell me what you think. . . Thanks! (If she seems ISFP or ESFJ please comment on that since in other instances she does seem much more alpha Fe than she does in these clips here.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christy B View Post
    There are lots actually dailymotion has more stuff than youtube:


    http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance...e-cauet_family

    http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance...e-cauet_events

    http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance...le-best_family


    a live performance:
    http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance...lavoine_family

    After looking at these three especially the first one- I can see her as delta. The way she makes jokes seems delta. She actually makes similar jokes to things asked of her in a way I might do. I don't know any ENFP-Fi so I am not sure about that, but you tell me what you think. . . Thanks! (If she seems ISFP or ESFJ please comment on that since in other instances she does seem much more alpha Fe than she does in these clips here.)
    LOL do you have any in English? She could be extroverted, but it's hard to tell, heh. With videos I need to listen to how they talk, and understand what they're saying and how their face/body language goes along with what they're saying so it's kinda hard this way heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    LOL do you have any in English? She could be extroverted, but it's hard to tell, heh. With videos I need to listen to how they talk, and understand what they're saying and how their face/body language goes along with what they're saying so it's kinda hard this way heh.
    Oh. No. English isn't her first language, haven't found any other interviews in English.

    In the first interview, for example, they ask her if she is lesbian because the French public want to know since she is good friends with a lesbian girl and it is some rumor. Anyway, I guess they have her hooked up to some kind of anxiety detector for the whole thing and when it goes high they laugh. Anyway she says "no" she isn't lesbian. Then later when they ask her about her personal life and what guys she has dated, she makes a joke to change the subject because she doesn't want to talk about it that she is lesbian. The way she did this actually did seem Ne valuing. I know you don't know French, but if you go back and watch you will see where Iam talking about.

    I am not very good with French yet, so I too am having some trouble with it.

    EDIT: I now think she is ENFP. I have looked more into this type and ather stuff and yes. It seems right.
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    Well I'm married to an ESE and my dad's SEI. Let's see.....is it hard for you to sit still? Do you get restless and feel the need to be doing something all the time? When you're at a party do you look around to see who's there and make sure you talk to lots of people? Do you have to clean up the kitchen before you can sit down to a meal? Those are ESE traits.

    SEI is more laid back. Think: easy going. They know how to enjoy life, they love kids and animals. They are aware of feelings, both their own and others but they don't advertise this, they're quiet about it.

    The ESE is the one who is up in the kitchen helping. The SEI is the one standing next to the table, eating. lol Bad stereotype but you know what they say--it's a stereotype for a reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    The ESE is the one who is up in the kitchen helping. The SEI is the one standing next to the table, eating.
    lol I love this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionicgoat View Post
    lol I love this

    yeah this is dead on for sure lol

    prototypical SEI: Baloo, the bear from The Jungle Book, "man, this is really livin" as he floats down a stream....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunshine Lively View Post
    prototypical SEI: Baloo, the bear from The Jungle Book, "man, this is really livin" as he floats down a stream....
    Exactly.

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    Temperament, as Allie said. The only problem is that both temperaments are dynamic in this case, and, from my own experience, seeing your own temperament clearly is not as simple as it sounds.
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    temperament isn't that hard i don't think:

    IP: relaxed; "basically lazy"
    EP: chaotic, impulsive
    EJ: type A workaholic
    IJ: slow and steady wins the race

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