View Poll Results: Do identical functions differ from quadra to quadra?

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  • The functions are the same regardless of quadra ("Beta Fe" is the same as "Alpha Fe" etc.)

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  • The functions differ from quadra to quadra (Beta/Gamma Ni not same, Delta/Alpha Ne aren't etc.)

    11 57.89%
  • Some functions differ, others are the same (Gamma Te = Delta Te, Beta Fe doesn't = Alpha Fe etc.)

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Thread: The big question

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    Default The big question

    There's always talk about Alpha and Beta Fe, and how they are different or not, but what about the other functions? Surely, logically, they too can be quadrically influenced, so that Gamma and Beta Ni are different; or Alpha and Delta Si are different. Are any of the the functions different, or are they all just the same?

    I'd be interested to here from anyone, but especially the reasons why those who believe some are the same but others are different believe that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    There's always talk about Alpha and Beta Fe, and how they are different or not, but what about the other functions? Surely, logically, they too can be quadrically influenced, so that Gamma and Beta Ni are different; or Alpha and Delta Si are different. Are any of the the functions different, or are they all just the same?
    Each of the IM elements manifests differently in different quadra(s), since each is paired with different functions in each quadra(/um?) (for instance, Alpha Fe is paired with Si and Beta Fe with Ni). On the other hand there are traits that apply to each element regardless of quadra, so I guess my short answer is "a little of both."

    It just struck me that "quadra" is a very strange word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elro View Post
    Each of the IM elements manifests differently in different quadra(s), since each is paired with different functions in each quadra(/um?) (for instance, Alpha Fe is paired with Si and Beta Fe with Ni). On the other hand there are traits that apply to each element regardless of quadra, so I guess my short answer is "a little of both."
    Yes. The theoretical information elements are the same, but the that the functions are at times a little different.

    IE in Model A they are not individuals, they all have an affect on each other. So therefore manifest differently.
    It just struck me that "quadra" is a very strange word.
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    Yes, they differ, but only because they work in combination with other functions.

    When we're talking about specific types, there's no such thing as pure Te, for example. It is, in the very least, either Te + Ni or Te + Si. And there are many other factors as well, of course (such as Te + Se hidden agenda, or Te + Ni PoLR).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    Yes, they differ, but only because they work in combination with other functions.

    When we're talking about specific types, there's no such thing as pure Te, for example. It is, in the very least, either Te + Ni or Te + Si. And there are many other factors as well, of course (such as Te + Se hidden agenda, or Te + Ni PoLR).

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    i wrote that post.
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    IMO, the functions are the same, it's just that they're influence by other valued functions in that quadra that makes them different.
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    OF COURSE functions differ from quadra to quadra. only an idiot would disagree. A 9-millimeter is much different in a cop's hand than in a gangster's, even though it's the same gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    There's always talk about Alpha and Beta Fe, and how they are different or not, but what about the other functions? Surely, logically, they too can be quadrically influenced, so that Gamma and Beta Ni are different; or Alpha and Delta Si are different. Are any of the the functions different, or are they all just the same?

    I'd be interested to here from anyone, but especially the reasons why those who believe some are the same but others are different believe that.


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    why do you take in information with your perceiving functions? to make decisions. how do you make decisions? based on the attained information from your perceiving functions. their purposes, intents, and uses are different and thus although the functions between two quadras may be the same, they are used in different ways so yes i think they are different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive View Post
    why do you take in information with your perceiving functions? to make decisions. how do you make decisions? based on the attained information from your perceiving functions. their purposes, intents, and uses are different and thus although the functions between two quadras may be the same, they are used in different ways so yes i think they are different.
    This is good. It's concise and hits the pertinent points in a clear way. Beta Fe is channled through an Ni perspective (and vice versa). Alpha Fe through Si. Any pattern of difference between this (or in naming any function as it pertains to a certain quadra's penchant for use) is just a manifestation of the interaction of blocked functions.

    As Joy pointed out, there are additional impacts as well, such as PoLR or HA influence (though these are, I think, hinted at and implicated by the motions of the ego).
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    OF COURSE functions differ from quadra to quadra. only an idiot would disagree.
    That's three encounting.

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    I don't understand the nature of your questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    and counting?
    Three people have voted that functions do not change from quadra to quadra. strrrng claimed that only idiots would believe this. I am pointing out the fact that three people are, according to him, idiots, and that this is not a definitive amount of people who believe that functions do not change from quadra to quadra, rather it is the amount of people who have voted in the poll who believe this to be the case. Whether or not they chose this option because they believe the functions in themselves do not change but rather it's what they are blocked with (i.e. in the Ego or the Super Id) which makes them seem like they change is besides the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    OF COURSE functions differ from quadra to quadra. only an idiot would disagree. A 9-millimeter is much different in a cop's hand than in a gangster's, even though it's the same gun.
    I agree with this, but they're still the same functions. The functions look different when paired with other functions, but the functions themselves are still the same. There isn't a -Fe and +Fe. There's just Fe. But when you see the Fe with Si, it looks a bit different than when it's paired with Ni. But the Fe itself is the same function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom View Post
    The functions look different when paired with other functions, but the functions themselves are still the same. There isn't a -Fe and +Fe.
    So this is what "-" and "+" are about. Well, this fact doesn't make me any more partial to them. It merely gives me more reason to ignore those who care about these silly little symbols added to functions to make them different from one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    OF COURSE functions differ from quadra to quadra. only an idiot would disagree. A 9-millimeter is much different in a cop's hand than in a gangster's, even though it's the same gun.
    If you say so.
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    yeah - functions stay the same in the different quadras, but its the other functions that are paired with them that change the whole. In truth, we only experience the whole when interacting with people (we see all of people's functions at once, blending and churning with each other) - it really is nearly impossible to trace someone's exact thought process/habits down to one function, cause all of the person's quadra functions work together. It's like trying to look at a person's face and deconstruct every beam of light that hits your eye, when your brain takes all of that light and unconsciously fuses it into a coherent whole image.

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