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... to get an idea of what people are REALLY thinking ...
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."
without ever having to deal with this situation in reality I don't think I can give an honest opinion. I can see the arguements for both sides, but there's no feeling attached to them.
Choice Choice Choice.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
yeah - I hate the term tooOriginally Posted by glamourama
... but anyway ...
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."
I hate you,
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
that's not very niceI hate you,
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."
I don't get it. I think pro-choice is the worst of the two,it's more ambiguous than pro-life.
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their stance is ambiguous though ... so it fits IMO
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."
Pro-life is very concise and to the point, while pro-choice is the story of cut-off points and lines between cell and baby that haven't been proved in any sense.
So yes.
D-SEI
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No, that's just one argument.
There's several, if you haven't noticed.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
All others can be explained in due time, trust me.
D-SEI
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Pro-life isn't very specific either. Like, lots of people I know who are pro-life are in favor of the death penalty. Or in favor of wars in which we (the US) is the aggressor. Which I don't see as hypocritical (and therefore I'm not trying to make a point about that), but the name "pro-life" doesn't really fit those people, IMO. Anti-abortion is probably more accurate but it obviously sounds negative and I understand why that is undesirable.
Pro-choice is correct - many pro-choice people would never have an abortion themselves but believe the choice should be available for instance - but isn't specific enough because it doesn't state what choice people are talking about. Pro-abortion doesn't fit people who wouldn't have one themselves but want the choice to be available, so that wouldn't be accurate. Pro-abortion-rights is probably the most accurate there. But I think many pro-choice people would rather avoid the word "abortion" in the descriptor.
So they're both more spin than descriptive.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Sure - but he's stated what's important to him: the clarity. The clearest cutoff points between baby and reproductive organ are:
- Conception
- Birth
LII-Ne
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Johari
excellent expound man, exactly.
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1. Conception
One of the effects of the pill is to stop change the lining of the uterus in a way that prevents a fertilized egg from implanting into the wall of the uterus, so it 'dies'
Menstruation? Is that even avoidable?
LII-Ne
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- Blair Houghton
Johari
yes. you stop sinning.
I am pro-choice and when I faced the choice, I went with adoption. It had everything to do with my circumstances, and nothing to do with politics. But as for politics, I think everyone should have the choice.
I have an amazing situation where I got to choose the couple who adopted my baby, and we all keep in touch. I visit them; just saw them in February in fact, and sometime this summer they will come down and visit me and my parents, who are excited to see her (we all get pictures emailed, so my parents really feel a connection).
As happy as I am about the way my situation turned out, there are an infinite number of alternate circumstances. I value the fact that I actually had a choice; I know I at least wouldn't have felt the same during the pregnancy if I had been forced to have the baby - but instead, I actually enjoyed the experience of bearing a child!
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LII-Ne
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- Blair Houghton
Johari
I'm Pro-choice, but I believe the choice should never be easy. I also think that if a person really makes the no-choice very easily, I don't even want them having kids.
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pro choice.
there's always situations where certain choices have to made.
people usually say "i will never do this" or "i condemn this act & will never make xxx choice" because it has never happened to them.
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Yes. Try walking in my shoes, as they say, among so many other phrases.
Absolutely. I've known a couple of people who were very anti-abortion, but then they were faced with terrible situations, and I really think any reasonable person would at least understand why they chose to abort. One is a pretty strict Catholic. But she could very well have died if she hadn't aborted, the fetus wouldn't have lived with the abnormalities it had anyway, and she had other children at home who needed her. Also, being Catholic, she wanted a large family, and this pregnancy, if it didn't kill her, would almost certainly have at least made her infertile. The other friend was raped. Her husband had a vasectomy so she wasn't using birth control, and got pregnant.
And to me anyway, those situations seem very clear cut, but even in less obvious circumstances I don't feel like I'm in a position to judge when a woman should be able to abort and when she shouldn't. The people in the position to figure that out what the right choice is in any giving situation are the woman and her doctor. There are a million bad situations that make women consider abortion. The fact that I've never had a bad situation that made me consider it doesn't mean I can't empathize with women in that position.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
pro choice is for retards
Well thank God they won't pass on their retarded genes.
Is there a limit to the amount of kids one can adopt?
Like, what's the most amount of children one can have?
I'll definitely adopt my own army of kids as soon as I turn eighteen.
Then it's war.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
Damn.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
You better hope they have unvalued Fi.
D-SEI
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Go away.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
They don't want to "abort the mission" though, so that fits too
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I pity your souls
Just give the kid to a gay couple. Don't kill a potential life, it's wrong I don't care what anybody says. =( I used to be pro-choice but now I'm on the life side of things. I was only really saying that because I didn't want to be rejected by my usually liberal friends, but I figure- if they can't respect my opinions they're not my friends in the first place.
If you don't want to go through with the BS of adoption agencies (I don't know exactly but I can only imagine the BS they put you through), you could always just leave it anonymously with a church they'll be glad to take care of it since you know, churches love babies and everything social and normal and hate things that are destructive and actually entertaining. Get a holistic birthgiver or whatever, and do a good deed that way. I don't know. There isn't just two choices, to me that's pretty limited thinking.
They might get some religious bullshit growing up, but that can be conditioned out of that like anything else- and it's better than just not experiencing life altogether anyway. *shrug*
Think of the couples that want kids but can't have them naturally for whatever reason, but would make great parents. You can still help the human race- but killing it off does nothing in my mind. It's a myth that the world is overpopulated I think. We just need to build bigger cities and enlighten people more to move out of Hickeryville, population: 5.
People starving to death has never been caused by overpopulation. Other factors such as poor geography and their natural resources being extracted at a cheap price. Still not a reason to promote abortion in any case.
D-SEI
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I don't like abortion but I don't want it illegal... I want it legal and regulated.
wanting abortion to be legal does not equal "promoting abortion".
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
^'xactly.
By condoning it, you are indirectly promoting its merits, which are little if any. Many pro-choice people have told me "ohhh, I don't like abortion, but it should be legal because people have the right to make their own decisions." I ask you, if you think poorly of abortion, how can you even think of justifying it like that? For me, it is like this:wanting abortion to be legal does not equal "promoting abortion".
1. I disagree with abortion.
2. I think such a procedure should not take place.
Therefore, because I believe abortion should not take place, I will condemn its' use, except in extenuating circumstances.
If you disagree with abortion and yet feel that people ought to have that choice, it just does not follow. It just proves you're too weak to have any opinions that carry merit.
D-SEI
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Just because one thinks poorly of something, doesn't mean they should ignore the fact that other people have opinions too.
One should respect that their opinion is just theirs and does not/should not represent everyone else.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
Thanks. btw your aim exploit was amazing.
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My what?
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
Just now. AIM invisibilty rocks.
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