Probably an ILI -+-
I've always wanted to beat the shit out of him with his whiny ass, depressing songs.
"When Kurt Cobain died, I felt like I lost a hero. His music really spoke to me" - when overheard that because someone had MTV, again, I felt the need to give a slap to the face. The man was so emo he "allegedly" shot himself in the face. (Allegedly because maybe someone else wanted to do it - maybe it was someone from his opposing quadra that wanted to the world a favor).
Nothing makes me want to turn the station or change the song faster than hearing any nirvana song. Almost as annoying as this kid sitting next to me with the incessant sniffles who's not quite bright enough to go get a tissue and end it.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
I think whiny ass, depressive people should be killed. If they are going to kill themselves anyway, then why prolong our misery?
nirvana and curt rocked in their day. yeah curt is IEI and courtney is SLE. guess she couldn't help her dual much though what with all that heroin addiction going.
the nirvana/soundgarden/pearl jam era was cool. it brought us out of that techno 80's phase of music in a way that was right on time.
yeah i guess he was kind of whiny, though. he was clearly depressed as in major depressive episode. all the glamour and glitz got in the way of people being able to correctly identify it and help him.
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those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
I could not agree more. There are many kinds of people... but one particular type is the whiny depressive type whose life will end in suicide. These people are pre-destined to turn out this way no matter what happens to them in life. It would be best to identify them in the womb and abort them.
woh, not a lot of nirvana fans here, huh?
i for one like nirvana a lot... they wrote some very good songs, and although i do not always identify with the lyrics, sometimes i do, e.g. songs like "on a plain."
For what it's worth, Kurt's definitely IEI, and Cortney is definitely SLE.
i don't see how many people could identify with his lyrics.
the other thing - has anyone ever read his journals? the ones that courtney released in 2000-something. they're horrible. it's sort of weird because you'd think at a glance that he'd be this person of great depth or something, like there's something there, but generally there's not.
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sloan - rcuei
I'm being sarcastic just to let you all know.
they are good songs though.
also, this is not really related but maybe some people need to get their emotions out in order to be productive you know? Just because you "indulge" in an emotion doesn't mean that you're wasting time.
I have always thought there was a possibility that he was murdered.
Either that or someone just can't let go of Kurt.
Elvis is not dead he was abducted by aliens.
http://www.justiceforkurt.com/ It's worth a read.
I think Kurt was INFj-Fi. He reminds me of Neil Young, who is INFj-Fi. ... Doesn't remind me at all of Tool & James Maynard, who is INFp-Ni. I remember this one time a tool song came on, and I was with an INFj-Ne.. he was like "nooo, the enemy", and switched the station really fast.
Another INFp-Ni writer is waters from pink floyd.
To me, he sounds alot like the tool singer. Like an old school tool (pink floyd)
..but nothing like nirvana.
The LSE in here has a strong reaction to kurt.. I don't know whether to interpret as a standard conflict relation, or a superid repression thing (where LSE can't get in touch with his emotions) ... it happens often that a type resents their dual, takes out their sexual / emotional issues on them.
An example of this is with ILI, often complaining about how their dual is a whore.
Either way, the LSE seems to have a strong reaction to nirvana.
I have kind of a similar reaction to britney spears when she comes on the radio.
Most of what I am saying are subjective thoughts... that is Ni i guess.
...ranting
Anyway, Neil young is INFj-Fi, & his sound reminds me of a country version of nirvana. (I think critics have compared the two)
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I think you should be killed so the whiny ass, depressing people no longer have so much to complain about. Killing two birds with one stone. Although the whiny people would probably find something else to whine about....
but right now it doesn't make sense, because you are whining about whining.
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It's tough to tell his type IMO, because in most interviews, he's both high on horse and depressed.
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<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not
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ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
Yeah, yeah, total INFp , j'adore him. & Love is an ESTp.
Does anyone have an idea of what Madonna is, other than Delta? I was watching this interview where Courtney & Madonna were chating about shoes and there was some mad hating going on between them...
IEI, sp/sx 4w3.
That's interesting, I have seen a lot of typing of her as SLE, but I am sure she's not one. I think people are just typing her persona, her persona seems to be constructed out of 'stereotypical SLE traits'. In interviews, some of the earlier ones she does come across as this photographer describes; you can see these insecure undertones even though she attempts to project a SLE like personality, but only in her recent interviews does she seems 'grounded' and, I don't know, there is some sort of 'vitality' that she communicates, down to some lifestyle/spiritual development jazz.
IEI, sp/sx 4w3.
Like my SLE Mom, Madonna became very grounded, as you say dinki, when she started studying mysticism... After one develops one's dual-seeking functions (usually between 40-60, anecdotally,) one becomes less "insecure."
Madonna is a great example of a SLE who has done that.
Madonna's (now ex, right?) husband Guy Ritchie is IEI.
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no, he was EII.
Having just finished watching a bunch of Kurt Cobain interviews, I am convinced he is some kind of Delta, probably IEE. I can see where people are getting IEI from, as he does have this sort of spacey, dreamy quality about him, which does give the impression of Ni, but I think that if you really listen to what he's saying, it becomes clear that his valued elements are Delta.
For instance, when he talks about his music, he doesn't focus on NiFe themes of meaning and significance and the "why", but rather on Delta SiTe themes of technical issues and the "how" of how he acheives his sound. In an interview about the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" music video, he talks about sitting around being bored in school spirit rallies, which to me shows Id Fe. He is laid back and down-to-earth like a Delta NF, not lofty and high-minded like a Beta NF.
That's just my observations.
Quaero Veritas.
you're right about delta, but INFj-Fi is what it is. These people here dont know how to identify an INFp, it's very clear.
PoLR domiant?
"I'm a negative creep and I'm stoned."
"Hate me
Do it and do it again
Waste me
Rape me, my friend."
"I miss the comfort in being sad."
"John Lennon has been my idol all my life but he's dead wrong about revolution... find a representative of gluttony or oppression and blow the motherf***er's head off."
"Maybe someday I'll turn into Helen Keller by puncturing my ears with a knife, then cutting my voicebox out."
"Thank you for the tragedy. I need it for my art."
Ni+Fe ^
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No, it isn't at all. Can you explain why you would think so?
You may be wrongly interpreting the lyrics. "I'm a negative creep and I'm stoned" is a sarcastic statement, meant to be interpreted as a jab. Same thing for "Rape me", the entire song is sarcastic. A girl asking to be raped is an absurdity.
It's not about lyrical interpretation only, it's about how the words are used.
Niel Young's songs are significantly 'softer' to me and more delta NF 'protesting', than Cobain's sense of 'rebellion'.
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I don't think that is particularly good application of socionics.For instance, when he talks about his music, he doesn't focus on NiFe themes of meaning and significance and the "why", but rather on Delta SiTe themes of technical issues and the "how" of how he acheives his sound. In an interview about the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" music video, he talks about sitting around being bored in school spirit rallies, which to me shows Id Fe. He is laid back and down-to-earth like a Delta NF, not lofty and high-minded like a Beta NF.
NiFe themes of "why" is like some sort of a cliche, especially when paired with 'Delta SiTe' how. It may have been the nature of the interview that led him to focus more on 'how it was made', etc. Why don't you link the interviews you saw?
Your Teen Spirit commentary also doesn't really mean anything to me.
Id Fe? idk. Down to earth deltas v loft betas seems like a poor cliche as well. (I don't see Cobain as down to earth, fwiw.)
Regardless of whether it's sarcastic or not, these quotes, alone, produce and reactions
He was also married to an dominant
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in this interview kurt cobain will show you that you dont know what the fuck you're talking about
"Types that value Se are much more comfortable with direct behavior aimed at making an immediate impact. This may at times be perceived as abrasive, particularly by types who do not value Se.
There is usually a competitive edge to this style of group interaction, resulting in a more intense atmosphere than that of Si-valuing quadras.
They appreciate contemplating possibilities only if they feel like they stand to gain something from it, or it has a perceived potential impact on "the real world"."
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Then mimosa, he wrote the song with both issues in mind. Since he says explicitly that the song is an anti-rape song in the interview, your attempt to construe this as a matter of simple disagreement is pretty weak. there was also an incident with the song 'polly' on nevermind, which was the same sort of thing; sarcastic and about a girl being raped. so there were these redneck guys who sang the song polly while they raped a girl in some northern state, and this got on the news, and kurt cobain heard about it. so when he says 'people misconstruing my lyrics... i decided to be blunt and bold this time', that's what he's referring to.
maria, you being a 9w1 is skewing your perspective on what Se is. it is not 'the inflammatory stuff'. and your last sentence is weak. why are you assuming kurt didn't think he might have an impact on the real world? and there are INFjs I know who speak out in the most hippy of ways. how is a hippy standing to gain anything from their peace activism?
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"Thank you for the tragedy. I need it for my art."
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But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...