@chips and underwear….you're just too nice. If you’re a 5w6, then you are, at the very least, comfortable being misanthropic and easily engage in wrecking morons, in no uncertain terms. you don’t have that in you. Perhaps already published authors will persuade you as to your true fixation, as i have found that to be the unfortunate case with some. Fine then, I can take you down that road. Clearly you're not the type for which Claudio Naranjo, himself a 5w6 and one of the few serious authors on the enneagram, attributed meanness too as coming closest to describing the type's dominant characteristic, or for which, Oscar Ichazo, called the type "ego-stinge" so as to capture the type's avaricious disposition. R & H sees the five as even more antagonistic and subversive than naranjo does, and russ hudson is most likely a five. Here's a couple quotes from an R & H material that a little birdie sent me with regards to the discussion about your type...it was a good point, too and one I agree with:
"Because their own ideas are virtually the only source of security Fives have, they propound and defend them with passion....They may affront, provoke or shock others with intentionally extreme views (i.e. zap)....no longer careful thinkers, they jump to conclusions and impose their own extreme interpretations of the facts. If others disagree, Fives can turn nasty and caustic."
even though they are describing "low health" behavior, these propensities are not hidden from view in the case of an average five and nobody is healthy for so long that they never dip into the unhealthy rungs of their type. unless you're claiming to be some enlightened, healthy five (which would probably mean you're a 3), you have been posting on here long enough that we would have seen these behaviors/propensities emerge first hand, if it was, in fact, part of your type.
Treating reality like an intellectual war game is not a natural habitat for you. You carry a more neutral tone in debates and discussions on various topics than fives do. neutrality is the 9w1 stance….neutrality....extending olive branches....neutrality creates a window for closing the gap between the nine and others. that favors the nine’s true agenda for merging. 5w6s don't make any pretension towards neutrality In intellectual discussion/debate. They go more to the extreme and gravitate towards polarizing stances. That unconsciously reinforces a separation between themselves and other. Hence the antisocial undertone. with intellectual 9w1s like you, Suzy, and inumbra, you three maintain a disposition in debate/discussion that accommodates merging and bonding with the person you’re having the discussion with. It’s totally different.
5w6s are not the only type that directly, unapologetically "wrecks morons" by the way, but 9w1, being the least aggressive type, absolutely does not!
sp/so is not right for you at all. you are not gruff in the least. sp/so is the gruffest stack. in the thread sapphire did ranting about fat people, you showed your so/sp colors by tying fatness into the capitalist system ("because people have to work a lot, they don’t have time to take of their health” to paraphrase your reply). sp/so’s social sense does not extend that far out into the big, BIG picture. so/sp is the big picture person, with more proneness to tie such questions/rants/topics into the larger sea of people, the general, unindividuated class of people, as you spoke upon. sp/so keeps their social sense closer to home.
Remember that 5s are unconventional thinkers and have a signature idiosyncratic style. You think along conventional, general, mainstream lines. For an example of this, take again that same post of yours on Sapphire’s thread, for which I just paraphrased. Your purported insight there was completely unnuanced…that shows up as a standard marker in your style of conceptualization, and in technical terms, is a symptom of cognitive sloth (the core passion of type 9). you're broad-minded. fives are not broad-minded in that sense….The 5w6 mind habitually averts itself from thinking in universal terms. they are more clinical, wired for making precise, deeper cuts conceptually and finding something relevant within the smaller parts that keeps the 'machine' running....that can lead to grand theories and big picture insights in the case of so/sp 5w6, but the end result will still have an air of unconvention as they're fishing around in unknown, previously undiscovered territory. a 5w6 would show a more nuanced conceptual take even on the subject matter of obesity if they were to think and post on it instead of regurgitating something that any conventional-minded person in the mainstream would be capable of intuiting (“they are fat because they work a lot of hours and can't get time to exercise”). Go back a few pages and review the 5w6s on my List. They have the edge on you intellectually because where they start out conceptually already takes a deeper bite into the concept….your starting point requires you to slough off more conventions, generalities and universals, before you can cut deeper to the core, so you're stuck having to play catch up.
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Originally Posted by Kill4Me
Because I don't put effort in talking to people on here and they don't put so much out about themselves.
Should I elaborate on 9w8?
(Someone will likely come around and say that an 8-wing is not something you'd wish upon yourself BECAUSE ANGER!! AND PAIN! AND CONTROL!! AND TORTURE! And so much lust.) I'm interested, how did you arrive at the notion of 8?
