I find Ne-sub to be more socially outgoing but more intellectually reserved (note: this means less aggressive in the defense of their ideas, not stupid or illogical) while Ti-sub is more socially reserved but more intellectually outgoing. I think this matches what I've said about emphasis on Fe vs. Si in ILE sub-types as well as what has been expressed by all of the descriptions on the wiki.
I blatantly disagree with the bolded statements. In fact, I think the opposite is true and presents itself in the descriptions you're using from the wiki, in practical theory, and in observed trends in the sub-typed ILEs here. Ti-subs seem to resemble Si-subs and valuers while Ne-subs seem to resemble Fe-subs and valuers. I mean the people who identify with Ne sub-type like JRiddy and Allie often present and act in a more Fe-oriented fashion. They participate a lot in the general tom-foolery of fun and animated discussion and seem to stop and consider before jumping into any of the more serious discussions, waiting until they have a very valid point to make and contribute. They're much more easily drawn into the "Fe" atmosphere. Ti sub-types like myself and Steve participate in the "Fe", but I find that we both usually hold back until we have something particularly witty to say. While Steve is certainly more reserved than myself, it's been brought up that both of us have a more relaxed and grounded quality about us in the social setting then Allie or Riddy who almost always have something fun and quirky to add. Wile observing these things on the forum and on stickam, I've noticed that these qualities are a lot like those of Luis or Jessica (Si-ISTp), who tend to hold back on stickam and seem to be a little more self-serving in conversation. Certainly I find myself more concerned with my sense of personal harmony, than the atmosphere of the group. Heck, I often participate in the riling of a rhetorical argument, ruin the F environment, then hypocritically decide that I'm done with it and that the discussion is over because I don't like it anymore and feel it's pointless.Originally Posted by ephemeros
In anycase, I disagree with you entirely here. I don't think Ti is more "social". I think the opposite is true. I think you're reading too much into "Their seemingly shy demeanour combines with coolness and obstinacy when they begin to defend their point of view." from the wikisocion, which I feel refers to the process of intellectual discussion and not to sociability.
Wow, Riddy is intensely Ne when you talk to him on Stickam, I have no idea where this idea of yours is coming from. Yes, certainly he has his ideas set out wrt socionics, but I think this has more to do with experience and the taking in of ideas than of any kind of active rearranging and application of theory for himself. Sure, he has opinions on things (so do Allie, SL and Suomea, if you pay attention and talk to them about them), but he doesn't seem to actively pursue the exploration and dissemination of these ideas. I don't think ideas and theories are his ultimate goal, I think he uses Ti to defend his Ne perspective.Originally Posted by Ezra
Then, with Sunshine_Lively, I've never actually spoken with her personally, but her participation in the playful alpha atmosphere is usually low-key. If anything, I think you're more likely to see her commenting on the more intellectually-oriented discussions than in the playfulness. And when she does choose to comment, she's usually more reserved about it. A little more serious and with some definite opinions of her own.
Also, I think you're failing to take into account other factors like age, maturity, experience, areas of interest etc.