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    Suárez



    Calvo-sotelo



    González



    Aznar



    Zapatero




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    I think Zapatero is LII.

    Aznar may be LSI, not sure.
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    Zapatero looks like Mr Bean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe View Post
    Zapatero looks like Mr Bean.
    Yeah, it's one of his nicknames, I think.
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    agreed!

    Aznar is probably Charles Chaplin subtype and Zapatero Rowan Atkinson subtype
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    On Zapatero, this video is interesting:


    http://youtube.com/watch?v=X3Kzbo7tNLg

    It shows him confronting Hugo Chavez, which he does but in a LII way, I think.

    It has the King's famous question to Chavez, "why don't you shut up?"
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    ah, that was so amazing to see the king do that. i agree he comes off as very LII not only in his mannerisms but i think what he says reflects alpha values. a lot of the stuff you read about him (bio etc) suggests INTj. edit: kind of like logos if he were from castilla y leon.






    bad reframing of that scene.
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    "exijo....exijo....EXIJO..."

    "POR QUE NO TE CALLAS?!"

    Classic.
    "Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by LokiVanguard View Post
    "exijo....exijo....EXIJO..."

    "POR QUE NO TE CALLAS?!"

    Classic.
    i know! i prefer him as a dolphin, though.

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    On Gonzalez:


    http://youtube.com/watch?v=oFur5KPJ0YU


    Some EJ. LSE I guess.
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    Aznar:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=1DF13KyVavc



    http://youtube.com/watch?v=3yWaV3qLZQQ


    I think LSI makes sense. He reminds me a bit of PotatoSpirit, btw.
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    i'm beginning to agree with LSE for gonzalez haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    Aznar:
    I think LSI makes sense. He reminds me a bit of PotatoSpirit, btw.
    In which way?
    LSI

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    Quote Originally Posted by PotatoSpirit View Post
    In which way?
    Gonna venture a guess.
    He keeps his body still, and only his hands move. He laughs at what he's saying (an exaggeration maybe?) and then becomes serious again and explain why he really believes it.
    LSI

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    What about the visionary and eloquent Mariano Rajoy?

    http://www.rebeliondigital.es/images/Mariano_Rajoy.jpg

    I think he is EIE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PotatoSpirit View Post
    Gonna venture a guess.
    He keeps his body still, and only his hands move. He laughs at what he's saying (an exaggeration maybe?) and then becomes serious again and explain why he really believes it.
    That works, but I was actually thinking that he's unflappable and nornally little emotional, but has an inner strength and capacity for emotional expression that become visible now and then, and nevertheless seem natural.
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    Rajoy is ENTj: has a dry approach to everything. I remember he said he doesn't believe in global warming--> subdued .
    He also explained how he seduced his ISFj wife: he forced himself to be funny in spite of he consider himself too serious -->role . He's always trying to joke with limited success in my opinion.
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    When I was a boy I thought the second guy on the left was González.
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    surprisingly enough, mariano rajoy (the 16types user, not the politician) looks a lot like jose zapatero.
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    I am leaning towards IEE for Zapatero

    Therefore

    Suárez: LIE, centrist
    Calvo-Sotelo: ILI, centrist
    González: LSE, socialist
    Aznar: LSI, conservative
    Zapatero: IEE, socialist

    The next Spanish Prime Minister will probably be one of these two men:

    Mariano Rajoy: LIE, conservative



    Alfredo Pérez Rubalcaba: EII, socialist

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    BTW

    King Juan Carlos, ESE



    Prince Felipe, LIE

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    I feel impelled to answering this thread , but I will use more than V.I.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Suárez: LIE.
    Sounds plausible.

    Calvo-Sotelo: ILI, centrist.
    Not sure beyond introverted intuitive, but using V.I. ILI fits very well.

    González: LSE, socialist.
    Pragmatic ST for sure. No signs of valued Se -> delta. Extroverted.
    With all of this LSE seems to be correct.

    Aznar: LSI, conservative
    Valued Se very apparent. Pragmatist (ST). LSI fits better than SLE (tempered, distant, etc).

    Zapatero: IEE, socialist.
    Mr Bean belongs to the naďve idealist type.
    Zero Se (alpha or delta). He is not gamma ST.
    He tries to interact positively with everyone.
    He seems to me more Fe valuer than Fi, although not very sure. Moderated extroversion. I would say Si-ESE.

    Mariano Rajoy: LIE, conservative
    He seems to lack any form of strong will, so LIE is unlikely.
    Aznar is LSI. Due to their relationship, he could be an LSI beneficiary (SEE) or supervisee (ILI). Technically the last would fit better, but he also does not sound to me like an ILI...
    Not sure really.

    Alfredo Pérez Rubalcaba: EII, socialist
    NOOOO WAY man. He hes a puppeteer and EII does not fit in this. Intuitive for sure. I would say beta NF.

    King Juan Carlos, ESE
    I agree, but this would make him my conflictor, and unlike Zapatero, I do not dislike him (I'm speaking as a person, nothing about politics)

    Prince Felipe, LIE
    Sounds plausible, but he reminds me more its quasi-identical ILE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MensSuperMateriam View Post

    Zapatero, IEE

    Mr Bean belongs to the naďve idealist type.
    Zero Se (alpha or delta). He is not gamma ST.
    He tries to interact positively with everyone.
    He seems to me more Fe valuer than Fi, although not very sure. Moderated extroversion. I would say Si-ESE.
    I think that Zapatero is as most of his closest friends are and . His wife looks SLI to me, BTW.

    Rajoy, LIE

    He seems to lack any form of strong will, so LIE is unlikely.
    Aznar is LSI. Due to their relationship, he could be an LSI beneficiary (SEE) or supervisee (ILI). Technically the last would fit better, but he also does not sound to me like an ILI...
    Not sure really.
    Rajoy was a top student, so he probably was very strong willed. Besides, his wife is an ESI.

    Rubalcaba, EII

    NOOOO WAY man. He hes a puppeteer and EII does not fit in this. Intuitive for sure. I would say beta NF.
    Rubalcaba looks like this Russian writer Solzhenitsyn, typed EII by Rick, I think. He looks smart and not very emotional, so I lean towards EII.



    King Juan Carlos, ESE

    I agree, but this would make him my conflictor, and unlike Zapatero, I do not dislike him (I'm speaking as a person, nothing about politics)
    I am pretty sure the King is /. SLE makes sense too IMO

    Prince Felipe, LIE

    Sounds plausible, but he reminds me more its quasi-identical ILE.
    The Prince, LIE is the dual of Letizia Ortiz, a clear case of ESI. He's rather stiff and distant. His father has encouraged him to be "more ish " time and time again.
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    Zapatero - ENFJ
    lol, such roguish face, reminds Sarkozy, Berlusconi, etc. it's a miracle how people can vote for such dudes
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    I think that Zapatero is as most of his closest friends are and . His wife looks SLI to me, BTW.
    Could be.

    Rajoy was a top student, so he probably was very strong willed. Besides, his wife is an ESI.
    You're associating top student with strong willed, and I disagree.
    It helps (a lot), but there are more factors. I consider these two more relevant: intelligence and enjoying your studies.

    Rajoy lacks the amount of energy usual for extroverts, and the LIE strong determination ("will"). He does not project confidence in himself.

    And if his wife is ESI (I don't know, haven't think about this) this is by no way a proof of his type. Does every (apparently) functional marriage imply duals? Obvious answer. At most it could suggest the same quadra or even a broader set of positive intertype relations. The same for Zapatero.

    Rubalcaba looks like this Russian writer Solzhenitsyn, typed EII by Rick, I think. He looks smart and not very emotional, so I lean towards EII.
    Too far with V.I. Similar aspect could suggest similar broad characteristics, like introversion or intuition, not more. And it still will fail not few times.

    I hope you will not believe two "almost identical" faces will imply the same type, because this would be like believing in phrenology...

    I agree he's smart, but I do not agree that "unemotional" (serious) implies anti-Fe. He has very good oratory skills (and used them in an manipulative style), typical (although not determinant) for Fe users. I think his personality fits very well in a beta NF.

    I am pretty sure the King is /. SLE makes sense too IMO
    Apparently too mellow for an SLE but yeah he could be.

    The Prince, LIE is the dual of Letizia Ortiz, a clear case of ESI. He's rather stiff and distant. His father has encouraged him to be "more ish " time and time again.
    I'm not sure Letizia is ESI. For being a convinced republican and secular, she betrayed her principles (marrying him, and by chatolic ritual -although she had no other alternative for marriage-). ESIs are not "morally perfect" but have very strong conscience and have troubles for going against their core principles. I know this by first hand ESI friends. As I have already said, disagree with the "all cuples should be duals" argument.

    Not all ILEs are clowns. They can ve very serious. Quasi-identicals are quasi-identicals for a reason. And an E3 ILE would be even more similar to a LIE. His education sure could make him an E3.

    The way he speaks (not what he says but HOW he says it) reminds me more ILE (or alpha, in general) than LIE (gamma).

    But I do not discard the LIE option. I simply have an smaller preference for ILE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MensSuperMateriam View Post
    You're associating top student with strong willed, and I disagree.
    It helps (a lot), but there are more factors. I consider these two more relevant: intelligence and enjoying your studies.
    Just a little off-topic note: I relate to your view about studies and interests. I'm ILE and I don't think that inside the box. FTR: slater is consistently typed LIE by me. Timeless is a similar example, he too expressed his belief that every obstacle can be overcome solely by determination and the force of will, disregarding wits, talent, inspiration or other human limitations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ineffable View Post
    I relate to your view about studies and interests.


    I'm ILE and I don't think that inside the box.
    Not sure which meaning you are using for "inside/outside the box" or if you're implying (or not) that LIEs don't think "outside the box".

    In former MBTI forums it was discussed that Ne intuitives think "outside the box" whereas Ni intuitives "above the box" as two ways of doing the same. This effect would be enhaced for N doms (leading). They could be more or less associated to static (outside) and dynamic (above): outside-> each "vision" of reality is one box and you play with different ones; above -> reality is one multifaceted box which you can shape according to concrete circumstances, so to speak.

    Both ways fall under the common -non typology related- "outside the box" meaning.

    FTR: slater is consistently typed LIE by me. Timeless is a similar example, he too expressed his belief that every obstacle can be overcome solely by determination and the force of will, disregarding wits, talent, inspiration or other human limitations.
    That focus in personal will as the supreme tool fits well in a very goal-oriented mindset like LIEs are, but it is a single characteristic and it has also alternative potential causes. For example, in certain way an Se leading would also consider "will" as the source of all power, and ennegram 8 (and to a lesser degree 3) tend to value it a lot. None of these users self-type as E8/3, I know.

    I don't know about slater. I've read very few of his posts, which are usually brief for making an opinion. He could be. But I do not think timeless is a LIE. His typical answers, his behavior (video, pictures, etc), do not fit in the LIE persona. He seem to be very active, in a Pe irrational style.

    Anyway this is a shallow opinion. I usually do not focus too much in typing others (E5s are self-centered assholes, I know).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ineffable View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MensSuperMateriam View Post
    You're associating top student with strong willed, and I disagree.
    It helps (a lot), but there are more factors. I consider these two more relevant: intelligence and enjoying your studies.
    Just a little off-topic note: I relate to your view about studies and interests. I'm ILE and I don't think that inside the box. FTR: slater is consistently typed LIE by me. Timeless is a similar example, he too expressed his belief that every obstacle can be overcome solely by determination and the force of will, disregarding wits, talent, inspiration or other human limitations.
    That politician has a law degree, which I regard as something which needs will power to be achieved. Science degrees require more "imagination" than "memorization" therefore Se egos have a hard time here. So I don't think will power is everything and I agree with The Ineffable and I disagree with Timeless. Another example, FMPOV some people can't develop a huge volume of muscle no matter how hard they work out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    That politician has a law degree, which I regard as something which needs will power to be achieved. Science degrees require more "imagination" than "memorization" therefore Se egos have a hard time here. So I don't think will power is everything and I agree with The Ineffable and I disagree with Timeless. Another example, FMPOV some people can't develop a huge volume of muscle no matter how hard they work out.
    Statistically there is a trend between types and jobs, but the correlation is far from being absolute. I'm sure there are no few LII lawyers (for example), enjoying their jobs, and all of them are still Se PoLR. It depends on particular motivations. Agree with the rest.

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    Agree with Rubalcaba EIE
    Unsure of the Prince
    Unsure of Rajoy
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