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    A leader, in the context of leading a war, said the following:

    And part of being a leader is: people watch you. I walk in that hall, I say to those commanders - well, guess what would happen if I walk in and say, "Well, maybe it's not worth it". When I'm out in the public, I fully understand that the enemy watches me, [that nation's people] are watching me, the troops watch me, and the people watch me.

    The other thing is that you can't fake it. You have to believe it. And I believe it. I believe we'll succeed.
    Functions, type, quadra, whatever -- what do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    A leader, in the context of leading a war, said the following:



    Functions, type, quadra, whatever -- what do you think?

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    It sounds to me.

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    I have trouble discerning between Fe and Fi here because I don't know more about the person. It could either be someone concerned with appearing strong to stay in control (Fe) or appearing strong so his people feel like they have a strong leader who is doing the right thing (Fi). The part about really having to believe it could likewise be either an Fe tactic to ensure maximal "believability", or an Fi way of making sure everyone can be assured of your moral integrity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    A leader, in the context of leading a war, said the following:



    Functions, type, quadra, whatever -- what do you think?
    This focus on belief in the statement (everyone must believe) could be seen as a manifestation of the hidden agenda of ISTj or ISFj

    The emphasis on heirarchy (starting off with him/her, them commanders, then troops, then the people) sounds rather Beta valueing

    Although it could be Gamma sacrifice for society..ie putting self out for the good of society, although at the mo Beta sounds more likely imo

    At the mo i'd be inclined to say it sounds like Beta valueing, ISTj war leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe View Post
    I have trouble discerning between Fe and Fi here because I don't know more about the person. It could either be someone concerned with appearing strong to stay in control (Fe) or appearing strong so his people feel like they have a strong leader who is doing the right thing (Fi). The part about really having to believe it could likewise be either an Fe tactic to ensure maximal "believability", or an Fi way of making sure everyone can be assured of your moral integrity.
    Can you think of another interpretation (I'm not saying that there is one)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    Can you think of another interpretation (I'm not saying that there is one)?
    It could be a Beta or Gamma Se thing, but I get the impression of Delta rhetoric. I could see an ESTj saying it, as I got an "on the right course" Delta ST vibe; wanting to appear strong in the face of opposition out of firm moral conviction. Also, his statement of having to believe in the cause sounded more confident than whatever he was trying to say about everyone watching him. Maybe Fe Role, idk. I still don't know enough.

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    Well, personally, at face value, without knowing who said it, I think that the main concern is with the emotional impact on others of what he says and does, so . Also, a constant awareness of the consequences, so .

    Those words were said by George W. Bush, by the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    Well, personally, at face value, without knowing who said it, I think that the main concern is with the emotional impact on others of what he says and does, so . Also, a constant awareness of the consequences, so .

    Those words were said by George W. Bush, by the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
    Well, I was analyzing the quote on its own, regardless of whether it made sense or not knowing who actually said it. "Awareness of consequences", in that case, meant only the consequences of those particular actions (or words).
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    I don't think the main concern is the emotional impact. I think he was worried about being seen as morally wavering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    Well, I was analyzing the quote on its own, regardless of whether it made sense or not knowing who actually said it. "Awareness of consequences", in that case, meant only the consequences of those particular actions (or words).
    Perhaps an awareness that his actions will have consequences but not necessarily an awareness of those consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
    Perhaps an awareness that his actions will have consequences but not necessarily an awareness of those consequences.
    That makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
    Perhaps an awareness that his actions will have consequences but not necessarily an awareness of those consequences.
    What a fantastically well put point.

    So essentially, it is possible that not all Ni competent individuals have an awareness of the consequences, which in turn suggests that having an awareness of the consequences are not related to Ni. What, then, are they related to, if not Ni?

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