My socionics type is either ILI or LII, as you may know. For those who believe in MBTI-Socionics correlations, my MBTI type is probably INTP, but could also be INTJ. Here is a conversation with an MBTI INTP on AIM, where MBTI is largely discussed. What do you think is the socionic interpersonal relationship that is occurring here, and thus, the type of the other person as well as me?
S purpuratus (08:22:46 pm): [individual A] still annoys me.
xeno11lhar (08:23:02 pm): She begins to annoy even more than she previously did.
S purpuratus (08:23:10 pm): Indeed.
xeno11lhar (08:23:25 pm): [individual B] also irks me.
S purpuratus (08:23:44 pm): Yes, she does.
S purpuratus (08:23:55 pm): [This and that] is a perfect example of her notable dumbfuckery.
xeno11lhar (08:24:02 pm): Agreed.
xeno11lhar (08:24:32 pm): There is also some Bible-thumper who pisses me off to no end.
S purpuratus (08:26:02 pm): Also, [individual A] is kind of ugly.
S purpuratus (08:26:10 pm): I don't know why she shows her face off.
xeno11lhar (08:26:22 pm): Ah, so the avatar is a photograph of her?
S purpuratus (08:26:29 pm): Yes.
S purpuratus (08:30:40 pm): Looks like a troll.
xeno11lhar (08:31:09 pm): Hm. I think that the individual is a sincere yet ignorant buffoon.
xeno11lhar (08:32:12 pm): I honestly don't care about an invidual's fanatical religious beliefs, but I do generally dislike when such people try to shove Jesus down my esophogus.
S purpuratus (08:32:46 pm): Ignore them.
xeno11lhar (08:32:51 pm): I do.
S purpuratus (08:33:02 pm): Not in that forum thread you didn't.
xeno11lhar (08:34:03 pm): True. I thought I might try to make the person look at other perpsectives, but at this point, I give up with such people. They are usually to dogmatic to be convinced otherwise.
S purpuratus (08:34:19 pm): You like poking them, though.
S purpuratus (08:34:24 pm): You like the argument.
xeno11lhar (08:34:24 pm): True.
S purpuratus (08:34:34 pm): *cough* INTJ *cough*
xeno11lhar (08:34:37 pm): Well, I didn't really like the argument.
xeno11lhar (08:34:55 pm): I was actually rather perturbed by it.
S purpuratus (08:35:07 pm): But you perpetuated it.
xeno11lhar (08:36:05 pm): A valid point. I was never, though, trying to force an opinion on anyone. I was merely curious as to why on earth the person believed as he/she did. Never again will I attempt something similar, because it is, rather frankly, to stressful, and undoubtedly going to fail.
xeno11lhar (08:36:16 pm): *too stressful
S purpuratus (08:36:37 pm): I never said you were trying to force an opinion on anyone. However, you like the battle of wits.
S purpuratus (08:36:40 pm): Such as it is.
xeno11lhar (08:36:51 pm): Perhaps to a certain degree.
xeno11lhar (08:36:59 pm): But I do still get rather stressed.
xeno11lhar (08:37:48 pm): On a slightly related topic, I have noticed that despite INTJs being Ts, they often tend to get very defensive and illogical when you question their personal beliefs.
S purpuratus (08:38:03 pm): It's the Ni.
xeno11lhar (08:39:19 pm): Indeed. I once asked my INTJ friend what logical reasons she had for believing in a monotheistic deity (out of mere curiosity), and she responded by saying that she doesn't wish to discuss it because it is too personal and, regardless, she is certain that a God exists.
xeno11lhar (08:39:33 pm): I think a lot of it might also have to do with the tertiary Fi.
S purpuratus (08:39:43 pm): No, this isn't an F thing.
xeno11lhar (08:39:56 pm): Oh?
S purpuratus (08:39:57 pm): This is the sign of an introverted perceiving function.
S purpuratus (08:40:08 pm): They're generating their data from within.
xeno11lhar (08:40:23 pm): Very true.
xeno11lhar (08:40:42 pm): But, Fi makes internal judgments based of non-logical standards.
xeno11lhar (08:41:23 pm): But, then again, that would not explain why INFJs behave in a similar manner, as they have tertiary Ti.
xeno11lhar (08:41:33 pm): I suppose you are most likely correct, then.
xeno11lhar (08:58:59 pm): But to be completely honest, though, I am still not entirely sure as to whether I am INTJ or INTP.
S purpuratus (08:59:15 pm): I wasn't for a while.
S purpuratus (08:59:24 pm): I figured it out by contrasting myself with others.
xeno11lhar (08:59:31 pm): The fact that I have been wavering on this matter for about a yeat or so suggests P.
xeno11lhar (08:59:44 pm): But some of my obsessive tendencies suggest J.
xeno11lhar (09:00:12 pm): Aha.
xeno11lhar (09:00:23 pm): What is your personal opinion of Uberfuhrer?
S purpuratus (09:01:01 pm): He's okay. I've conversed with him outside of MBTIc. He's a bit of an attention-seeker, though.
xeno11lhar (09:01:35 pm): True. Some of his radical statements, I think, are more for shock value than for a genuine expression of opinion and value.
S purpuratus (09:02:01 pm): Yes.
S purpuratus (09:02:52 pm): I also thought about INTJs and INTPs I know.
S purpuratus (09:02:55 pm): In real life.
xeno11lhar (09:03:40 pm): Hm. I do not think I know too many confirmed INTJs. Definitely less than INTPs. One thing that definitely does not indicate INTJ for me is how INTJs are depicted as having a strong drive for application. This does not accurately describe me.
S purpuratus (09:04:57 pm): It's not always true.
S purpuratus (09:05:10 pm): I feel like they have a strong drive to see their projects come to completion.
S purpuratus (09:05:16 pm): But that doesn't mean they must be applied.
xeno11lhar (09:05:20 pm): Hm.
S purpuratus (09:05:26 pm): INTPs have more of a tendency to drop things when they tire of them.
xeno11lhar (09:05:58 pm): Both describe me. I like to see my projects to be realized, yet I sometimes get too lazy half-way (depending on the project, though).
xeno11lhar (09:06:48 pm): Also, the aspect of INTPs being very detached and absent-minded suits me rather well.
S purpuratus (09:07:08 pm): Both are very emotionally distant.
xeno11lhar (09:07:12 pm): True.
S purpuratus (09:07:15 pm): That's just an I_T_ thing.
xeno11lhar (09:07:25 pm): But I would tend to think INTPs moreso than INTJs.
xeno11lhar (09:07:36 pm): At least slightly.
xeno11lhar (09:07:42 pm): With all of that extremely focused Ti.
S purpuratus (09:07:45 pm): Not from what I've read.
S purpuratus (09:08:28 pm): Emotional distance is a commonality of theirs.
xeno11lhar (09:09:12 pm): True, but I think that it would be easier for them to make an emotionally-based choice than an INTP, since INTJs are not Thinking-dominant.
xeno11lhar (09:09:30 pm): But nothing is every exact.
xeno11lhar (09:09:39 pm): There will always be exceptions.
xeno11lhar (09:09:47 pm): *ever
xeno11lhar (09:13:13 pm): Which type do you think would be more prone to methodical focus in terms of fine-tuning a theoretical construct? Would it be an INTP due to the Ti-Si dominant-tertiary combination, or would it be the INTJ, since an INTJ is a J?
S purpuratus (09:14:30 pm): Either. You're splitting hairs.
S purpuratus (09:14:43 pm): Your asking whether this apple or that apple is more apple-flavored.
xeno11lhar (09:14:57 pm): An interesting way to look at the situation.
xeno11lhar (09:15:15 pm): I suppose I am really nit-picking this issue too much.
S purpuratus (09:15:19 pm): Yes, you are.
xeno11lhar (09:15:46 pm): For now, my status will be INTP, unless some new data indicates otherwise.
S purpuratus (09:17:12 pm): For what it's worth, my intuition pegs you as an INTJ.
S purpuratus (09:17:21 pm): But I'm judging strictly from our contact.
xeno11lhar (09:18:01 pm): If I am a P, though, I certainly do have quite a few J tendencies, which may very well be attributed to my OCD.
S purpuratus (09:18:14 pm): Are you diagnosed?
xeno11lhar (09:18:17 pm): Yes.
S purpuratus (09:18:29 pm): That is a J feature, yes.
xeno11lhar (09:19:04 pm): Indeed.
xeno11lhar (09:19:18 pm): It can be a rather torturous disorder when severe.
S purpuratus (09:19:37 pm): I have had Major Depressive Disorder, PTSD, and Bulimia Nervosa.
S purpuratus (09:19:59 pm): From my experience in Eating Disorder programs, obsessive thinking is _heavily_ tied to Js.
xeno11lhar (09:20:24 pm): I would expect most disorders involving obsession of some form or another would be more tied to Js than Ps.
xeno11lhar (09:20:36 pm): Out of curiosity, what did the PTSD stem from?
S purpuratus (09:21:20 pm): Abuse.
xeno11lhar (09:21:27 pm): Ah.
xeno11lhar (09:21:52 pm): Verbal, physical, sexual, or a combination thereof?
S purpuratus (09:22:18 pm): Sexual.
xeno11lhar (09:22:29 pm): Aha.
xeno11lhar (09:23:53 pm): The only psychiatric anomalies that I have been diagnosed is OCD. One psychiatrist, though, believed that I had "very morbid tendencies" and was "detached from reality." Asperger's has also been proposed, but never diagnosed.