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    Hi all. I am posting this information for each type. I know the information is already available to all, but from what I've seen you have to cross reference to various charts and whatnot. This will give everyone an opportunity to see a breakdown of their type's analysis without having to cross reference. What I'd like is for people to discuss how various functions manifest themselves, such as how having for a Role function would be displayed in an ENTp.



    ENTp

    The EGO Block (1+2) Most pronounced functions, dominant over functions 3 & 4

    1. Program function - also know as the "foundation," a person places the most confidence in this function, and molds his or her lifestyle to suit this function; a person's self-esteeme and feelings of worth are based on the usage of this function.

    2. Creative function - also know as the "realisation," some effort is required to use this function, but it comes easy. It is the base function for a person's creativity and is used in conjunction with the 1st function.

    The SUPER-EGO Block (3+4) Weak and suppressed by functions 1 & 2

    3. Role function - a person may unconsciously attempt to realize this function in order to avoid the embarrassment of having the weaknesses of other functions discovered; though usually suppressed by the 1st function, it is passive and seeks not to intrude on others. A person may be sensitive to criticism in this function, and may only implement it as an informational source to aid other functions.

    4. Vulnerable function - also known as the PoLR , a fragile function by which insecurities are realized, and usually suppressed by the 2nd function. If pressure is placed on this function from an outside source, a person may react with irritation or hostility. It often manifest itself in a state of severe immaturity. This function could be likened to a naked hungry and screaming baby, unable to take care of itself. Since the 3rd function neglects to inform and support, it often relies on the 6th function for protection and survival.

    The SUPER-ID Block (5+6) Neglected functions by which a person allows to be manipulated by outside influences, usually assists functions 3 & 4

    5. Suggestive Function - also known a "dual-seeking," this function is typically the most vulnerable to ouside influences and manipulation. It is not uncommon for a person to physically request help from another in regards to this function, as it often acts as a companion and helper to the 3rd function and indirectly to the 4th function. Sometimes a person can mistake this function for the 1st or 2nd functions.

    6. Activation Function - also know as the "Hidden-agenda," this function willfully seeks to express itself and to become energized into a state of confidence or creativity. It may attempt to compete with other functions and become dominant, deceiving many to believe it is a strong and resourceful function. In reality, it often implements itself as a disguise or a feint intended to feed, cloth, and protect other functions. It could be considered a parental function to the childish and immature 4th function. Often a person can mistake this function for the 1st or 2nd functions.

    The ID Block (7+8) Weak and unconscious functions, usually ignored or seen as intrusive. The actual existance of these functions has been questioned.

    7. Control Function - easy function for a person to spot in others and to criticise.

    8. Standard Function - a person needs guidance to realise this function, if at all.
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    We've been needing something like this for those (including myself) who don't have a full grasp on all the functions. Bravo, joy.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    thanks
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    I have a tendency to walk into things... I'm not very graceful because I am absent-minded, distracted by my noisy brain. If I am in the midst of a personal issue, this increases even more. Sometimes I miss my turn while driving a very familiar route. I commonly have bruises and cuts which I don't remember getting. However, if I am climbing or otherwise doing something which requires balance, I am quite good at it and I really enjoy myself. Overall I'd say that I am a rather clumbsy person though. I am more aware of the cause and effect relationships around me than I am the objects around me.

    This makes sense, right?
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    You forgot the authority and traditional aspect of Se.
    MAYBE I'LL BREAK DOWN!!!


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    Whateva! I do what I want. Authority and tradition can kiss my ass. When I follow a rule it's because it makes sense, not because I am doing as I am told.
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    Damn straight.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Whateva! I do what I want. Authority and tradition can kiss my ass. When I follow a rule it's because it makes sense, not because I am doing as I am told.
    If someone orders me, even if it makes sense, I will disobey them out of spite. Then, when they confront me, I will say to them the most insulting things I can imagine at the time in order to destroy as much of their happiness for as long a period of time as possible, hopefully forcing them into a state of depression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maizemedley
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Whateva! I do what I want. Authority and tradition can kiss my ass. When I follow a rule it's because it makes sense, not because I am doing as I am told.
    Se doesn't mean doing things because you are told. Is that a fair connection?
    Furthermore, what kind of sense do rules have to make for you to adhere to them? If it's not rules that you adhere to then what kind of sense do you adhere to?
    I never do anything or think anything just because it's what others do/think or want me to do/think. I also never do anything just because it's the way I've done it in the past. I make my own decisions based my understanding of the situation. My understanding is based on as many different perspectives as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Whateva! I do what I want.
    Respect my authoritay!


    Socionics function: black sensing - force - volitional sensorics

    outward traits of object - shape, old vs. young, worth or cost, appearance, energy of object, strength, readiness, willpower, mobilization
    Positive(short range):
    Deduction of authority, insubordination, protection, defense, retaliation, counterattack, hardness, upholding of the interests, strong-willed pressure from below upwards, will power, possession;
    Negative (long range):
    Capture of authority, submission, attack, aggression, attack, the initiative, persistence, insistence, strong-willed pressure from top to down, the statement of the interests due to others, overthrow, weakness, lack of will, mastering.
    MAYBE I'LL BREAK DOWN!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    outward traits of object - shape, old vs. young, worth or cost, appearance, strength
    no comment

    where's Cone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by maizemedley
    Damn, it must be nice having such a strong sense of self. I can see someone like you accomplishing a lot in your life-time. Is it easy/fun to understand the situation and come up with an action that makes sense? I envy you! This INFp is forever in doubt.
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    yeah... I just hurt my toes falling up the stairs...
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    Goddamn Se...
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    More on the 7th and 8th functions from http://socion.info/miscmodelofthepsyche.html

    ID Block The ID block primarily controls instinctual impulses. As a child, a person remains under the primary influence of the ID. However, Because of their nature, the functions within the ID Block cannot compete against the functions within the EGO block. Though they are typically very strong, the influence of the functions within the EGO Block may cause a person to disregard them and in result, feel that they are exceptionally weak and useless. An adult person may never really know that they have them as strength; some may even deny their very existence. However, a person is more likely to disregard the 8th function than they are to disregard the 7th function. Theoretically, This may result in that a person could have a conscious idea of the effects of their 1st function, and can discern the introverted and extroverted aspects of the function and their strengths with little effort. Yet the 2nd requires some effort, and may cloak the strengths of the 8th; it may never fully function in result. A person under strong influence of this block may appear irresponsible, uncaring, selfish, conceited, and arrogant.

    Strong, Subconscious, Accepting - 7th function - the seventh function manifests itself as an instrument of instinctual aggression, intended to serve and protect the basic interest of an individual. A person wants, and wants immediately. In result, a person under the influence of this function may subconsciously reproduce and model behaviors that appear arrogant, haughty, conceited, selfish, or inconsiderate in relation to the function involved.

    Strong, Subconscious, Producing - 8th function - Without the suppression of the second function, this function needs guidance, as it must use a concrete means to manage itself. When unrestrained, a person may realize this function chaotically and without self-control, appearing indulgent and uncanny. People under the influence of the 8th function may have no direction and no productive aims or goals besides the self-gratification of the manifested function involved.
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