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    He's stingy, quick to anger, risk-oriented, asocial, and possessive.

    I don't think he's LSI. I just think he's a caricature of LSI.

    Besides, Donald may be typed as ESI. I didn't type the other characters yet due to lack of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    He's stingy, quick to anger, risk-oriented, asocial, and possessive.

    I don't think he's LSI. I just think he's a caricature of LSI.
    How can he be a caricature of LSI if he is quick to anger? How can be be a caricature of LSI if he is risk-oriented?

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    I think he's more like an imperfect caricature of LIE.
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    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post

    I don't think he's LSI. I just think he's a caricature of LSI.
    Whats the difference when hes fictional anyway? lol. I think hes LSI too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    I think he's more like an imperfect caricature of LIE.
    That's impossible. His negativist is too clear : he's a natural collector, and hates when someone touches his possessions, more than others.

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    *shrug* for someone who likes to say he's a classical socionist, you make a nice point of focusing on secondary things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    I think he's more like an imperfect caricature of LIE.
    ahaha i was just about to post this when i saw the topic. ("wow, isn't he a huge ENTj?")

    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    How can he be a caricature of LSI if he is quick to anger? How can be be a caricature of LSI if he is risk-oriented?
    probably not a bad point, really.

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    It's starting to become clear that he is a rather complex individual

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    *shrug* for someone who likes to say he's a classical socionist, you make a nice point of focusing on secondary things.
    I'm not purist or conservative though, and I don't worship the holy Model A with its 8 cells and 8 elements or such. I'm aware of Model A's limitations.

    Besides, I don't see how is him intuitive. On some "canon" comic, he had dreams that relate to his past, with zero variations. Only a caricatural Sensing type can do.

    Besides, LIE's usually aren't stingy. Their expenditures are usually less deliberate than LSI's or even LSE's. They are businessmens who seek profit maximisation. LSI's are just collectors, who seek to accumulate possessions, but with no real point. LIE's possessions usually have a purpose. LSI's may not. (ok, I caricatured a little, but Mr. Scrooge is a caricature, remember )

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    Risk-oriented? Really? To me he was kind of the opposite... he didn't take a lot of risks and was a miser.

    Stingy and risk-oriented are polar opposites aren't they? You can't be two conflicting things...it's a paradox. I know some would disagree but I'll challenge you on that. It's true, people are complex. But it's more like traits overlapping with each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Risk-oriented? Really? To me he was kind of the opposite... he didn't take a lot of risks and was a miser.

    Stingy and risk-oriented are polar opposites aren't they? You can't be two conflicting things...it's a paradox. I know some would disagree but I'll challenge you on that. It's true, people are complex. But it's more like traits overlapping with each other.
    I mean, he's physical and reckless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    I mean, he's physical and reckless.
    To continue the uncle scrooge charicature, LIE seems more likely, perhaps he has PoLR -> receptive, leading to his apparent physical recklessness.

    Can you dispute his ingenuity for his business plans, which could come from blocked with

    Where is ego ?

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    Unvalued Fe, negativism, and introversion, IMO. Why LIE>ILI? He stays cooped up in his house, gives every reason NOT to do things, needs to be approached by others for absolutely anything...how is that a positivist extrovert?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Unvalued Fe, negativism, and introversion, IMO. Why LIE>ILI? He stays cooped up in his house,
    I don't think he's relevant to ILI or ESI.

    gives every reason NOT to do things
    He has negativist as ignoring function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    I don't think he's relevant to ILI or ESI.

    I don't think your opinion is relevant. Ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    I don't think your opinion is relevant. Ever.
    Then how is him Irrational or Ethical ?

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    Dear god, do you people know anything about socionics? Really, this could be the worse idealization of certain types I have ever seen. LSI not risk oriented? LSIs are fucking crazy. They are impulsive and incredibly risky. Its like LSIs have a need to be viewed as depressive and chaotic. Scrooge isn't risky enough to be an ENTj so I'm pretty sure hes not ENTj. It to me is pretty obvious what his type is. He is easily an ESTj. There really isn't much else to argue. He is overly economical, which I can promise you that ENTjs are not economical in the least bit. ENTjs take calculated risks. Thats what they do, they spend money. Scrooge didn't spend money, he saved it. It makes no possible sense for him to be considered ENTj.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    I don't think your opinion is relevant. Ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitta View Post
    Dear god, do you people know anything about socionics? Really, this could be the worse idealization of certain types I have ever seen. LSI not risk oriented? LSIs are fucking crazy. They are impulsive and incredibly risky.
    ... Can you provide one single passage from any Socionic LSI type description anywhere that supports what you are claiming here?

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    Its like LSIs have a need to be viewed as depressive and chaotic.
    How remote from reality are you, hitta? You are not making any sense here. Are you joking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    How remote from reality are you, hitta? You are not making any sense here. Are you joking?
    lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    ... Can you provide one single passage from any Socionic LSI type description anywhere that supports what you are claiming here?


    How remote from reality are you, hitta? You are not making any sense here. Are you joking?
    Do you know anything about quadra values lol? If ENFjs and INFps like the depressive attitudes and the impulsive behavior, why would their dual be any different. No offense, but socionics according to the16types is fucked up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitta View Post
    Do you know anything about quadra values lol? If ENFjs and INFps like the depressive attitudes and the impulsive behavior, why would their dual be any different.
    Quadra values and type descriptions are two different things. If you think that you can infer type behaviour from quadra values, you need to think again. Typing by quadras will inevitably lead to mistypings.

    Quote Originally Posted by hitta View Post
    No offense, but socionics according to the16types is fucked up.
    I totally agree. So why do you make the same mistake that many people on this forum are making?

    Now, please answer my question in my previous post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    Quadra values and type descriptions are two different things. If you think that you can infer type behaviour from quadra values, you need to think again. Typing by quadras will inevitably lead to mistypings.


    I totally agree. So why do you make the same mistake that many people on this forum are making?

    Now, please answer my question in my previous post.
    Um, if you think that quadra values aren't important you need to have your head examined. Also, most of the posts about ISTjs only talk about their +Ti and their affinity for implication and common sense. It doesn't talk about their behavior too much. I can promise you that ISTjs are risky chaotic people. I know plenty of them. They are also extremely paranoid.
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    He has very little need for social contact, because he's autistic. Like LSI's. Uncle Scrooge is autistic, and all LSI's are autistic.

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    This thread delivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitta View Post
    Um, if you think that quadra values aren't important you need to have your head examined.
    I haven't said that quadra values are not important. They add a dimension to our understanding of the types. But if you use them as your starting point in your typing, you are making a big, big mistake.

    Quote Originally Posted by hitta View Post
    Also, most of the posts about ISTjs only talk about their +Ti and their affinity for implication and common sense. It doesn't talk about their behavior too much.
    How much Socionics do you know really? Have you ever read a type description? Doesn't talk about their behaviour you say? Are you nuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by hitta View Post
    I can promise you that ISTjs are risky chaotic people. I know plenty of them. They are also extremely paranoid.
    ISTjs are not risky chaotic people. They don't exhibit the slightest tendency whatsoever to be impulsive. Period.

    It seems as though you have provided us with the final proof that you have got all the types totally messed up. What you say here about ISTjs is unquestionably and completely false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    I haven't said that quadra values are not important. They add a dimension to our understanding of the types. But if you use them as your starting point in your typing, you are making a big, big mistake.


    How much Socionics do you know really? Have you ever read a type description? Doesn't talk about their behaviour you say? Are you nuts?


    ISTjs are not risky chaotic people. They don't exhibit the slightest tendency whatsoever to be impulsive. Period.

    It seems as though you have provided us with the final proof that you have got all the types totally messed up. What you say here about ISTjs is unquestionably and completely false.
    Um, no, Why the Fuck would an INFp/ENFj want to be with someone that is boring? INFps/ENFjs are some of the most "out-there types". That doesn't make since in the least bit. I'm afraid you fail.
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    Also, that doesn't make a shit worth of sense when you compare ISTjs to the proposed model of ESTps. So ESTps are chaotic and impulsive and ISTjs are systematic and dull? Thats just dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitta View Post
    Um, no, Why the Fuck would an INFp/ENFj want to be with someone that is boring? INFps/ENFjs are some of the most "out-there types". That doesn't make since in the least bit. I'm afraid you fail.
    Do you really have that limited understanding of the types? You can't be serious. Do you really think that Duals are alike in some obvious way? ISTjs are perceived as "boring" in many, many situations by many, many people. That is a fact. They are bureaucratic, have very limited esthetic sense, and are oriented to positions of power. They almost never take any risks. They can be very sterling.

    Do you disagree with Rick's typing of Vladimir Putin as an LSI? I agree with it, and in any case Putin is a very clear example of a leading type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitta View Post
    Also, that doesn't make a shit worth of sense when you compare ISTjs to the proposed model of ESTps. So ESTps are chaotic and impulsive and ISTjs are systematic and dull? Thats just dumb.
    You must be joking, or do you really believe -- seriously -- that ESTps and ISTjs are very similar in their behaviours? If so, you definitely have misunderstood both the types and the theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    You must be joking, or do you really believe -- seriously -- that ESTps and ISTjs are very similar in their behaviours? If so, you definitely have misunderstood both the types and the theory.
    OMG, you must be kidding. The types are mirrors. THEY TYPES ARE FUCKING MIRRORS. They are gonna be extremely similar. OMG you know nothing about socionics. Dear god that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
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    It's nice to see people still take the brilliance that is Ducktales so seriously.
    "How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby View Post
    It's nice to see people still take the brilliance that is Ducktales so seriously.
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    I really think he is ESTJ. I was just thinking today that my ESTJ friend reminds me of Scrooge, but in a way that I like. I somehow wasn't bothered by his grumpy mood, and he even makes the same expression as Scrooge.

    I mean, Scrooge is so extroverted. When he is upset, he shares his bad mood with other people, instead of just going away and having alone time like an introvert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elro View Post
    Hah, that was awesome!
    "How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
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    I agree with LSE
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewels View Post
    I really think he is ESTJ. I was just thinking today that my ESTJ friend reminds me of Scrooge, but in a way that I like. I somehow wasn't bothered by his grumpy mood, and he even makes the same expression as Scrooge.

    I mean, Scrooge is so extroverted. When he is upset, he shares his bad mood with other people, instead of just going away and having alone time like an introvert.
    He's ESTJ, but not LSE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby View Post
    It's nice to see people still take the brilliance that is Ducktales so seriously.
    What? I don't take my mental image of Uncle Scrooge from that, but from the classic comics by Carl Barks, who actually created the character:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Barks
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    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    What? I don't take my mental image of Uncle Scrooge from that, but from the classic comics by Carl Barks, who actually created the character:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Barks
    Yeah.

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