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    I created a thread in Gamma about the LIE and timekeeping, and apparently they're poor at timekeeping in comparison with other types, such as their dual. This indicates that it is functionally-related, and I'd like to know to what function(s) it is related.

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    Do you mean time-keeping or time-using?
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    I'm actually very good at timekeeping on my own. When I worked at UPS I had this sort of playful bet with an ESTj I loaded with. I didn't wear my watch but I made the boast that it didn't matter, I always knew what time it was. He thought it was pretty funny so at random intervals throughout the shift on different days he'd call me out on it. On average I was no more than five minutes early or late.

    I would think this would be Ni because I would basically do it by visualizing in general form everything I'd done to that point and getting a feel for the time it would take to do all that stuff (i.e. how many walls of packages I'd built, discussions I'd had, other events of notable duration, etc).
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    Weird, I was just about to start a thread about punctuality.

    I propose that this is related to the static vs. dynamic dichotomy. I think static types are more punctual than dynamic types, generally speaking. ISxjs are probably the most punctual of all types.

    When I consider people I've known, here are my limited observations:

    EJ: unless they've consciously decided to be early, they're more likely to be late than not

    IP: depends on the IP and what they're doing

    EP: depends on the EP and what they're doing

    IJ: unless something has caused them to be late, they're more likely to be early or on time than not (and it bothers them a lot to be late)
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    I also wonder if sensory types may be more likely to be punctual than intuitive types.
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    And as I've said before, calenders and schedules and dates and the time (as in 6:00, 7:30, noon, etc.) are static things.
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    I generally tend to be quite punctual, although it doesn't really bother me if I'm late (unless I'm already irritable, but then again if I'm irritable then everything will bother me so meh). If I'm uncertain about the timing of something, I'll try and be early rather than late. Depending on the circumstances, I can take this to extremes at times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    I created a thread in Gamma about the LIE and timekeeping, and apparently they're poor at timekeeping in comparison with other types, such as their dual. This indicates that it is functionally-related, and I'd like to know to what function(s) it is related.
    I would call it "overconfident timekeeping" as opposed to "poor."

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    IJ: unless something has caused them to be late, they're more likely to be early or on time than not (and it bothers them a lot to be late)
    It doesn't always bother me. It depends a lot on the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    I also wonder if sensory types may be more likely to be punctual than intuitive types.
    I know a LSI (E1) dude who always get on time, even if expected time was only just theoretical rather than functional. For this I call him a "legalistic machine".

    Those LSI's...

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    Early or late: not type related, but habit.

    I know a LSI (E1) dude who always get on time, even if expected time was only just theoretical rather than functional. For this I call him a "legalistic machine".
    That's something I really like of LSI, since I'm the same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Early or late: not type related, but habit.
    Yeah, but maybe Rational types acquire such habit more easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    I would call it "overconfident timekeeping" as opposed to "poor."
    That's just poor + positivism.

    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post
    I know a LSI (E1) dude who always get on time, even if expected time was only just theoretical rather than functional. For this I call him a "legalistic machine".

    Those LSI's...
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    Early or late: not type related, but habit.
    Yeah, it's that as well. I used to be late almost all of the time, now since Peter's moved in I'm almost always early, even if he isn't coming with me.

    And I know an IEE who's almost always late. I know when he says 9:00 he means 9:15.

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    Yeah, but maybe Rational types acquire such habit more easily.
    I think they just typically care more?
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    interpreting 9:00 as 9:15 isn't bad. try waiting for an hour or two. ;p

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    But this is a colleague and we're talking about professional appointments! And the funny thing is, most of his clients are very wealthy.
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    i'm usually late. but not excessively so. only fashionably so. lol

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    Two of my friends always turn up on time, even early. I don't really get that because they're just gonna be hanging around by themselves because well, everyone else is late.

    Timekeeping isn't exact, I like to see it as more or less a very rough guide

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    There's a difference between being late for social meetings, being late for appointments with doctors and stuff, and being late for important/business meetings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    There's a difference between being late for social meetings, being late for appointments with doctors and stuff, and being late for important/business meetings.
    Yeah I wouldn't be late for a business meeting as I would be unsure what sort of impression that would create(ie possibly a negative one)

    ..unless I already knew them well, or perhaps I was making so much money or had so much other business on the go already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    That's just poor + positivism.
    *shrug* "Overconfident" is still better descriptively than just "poor."

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    There's a difference between being late for social meetings, being late for appointments with doctors and stuff, and being late for important/business meetings.
    Yes, it's the consequences that usually determine how late or early I am. Consequences and what's important to me. For example, sitting around chit-chatting with people I don't know isn't as important as getting to the vet to stitch up a big cut on my dog's leg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    they are CREATIVE with time in that they can be late for their good or opposite - be on time. they can also apparently (readings) forget about it at all sometimes.
    Nope. Like I said, specific times (as in 9:00) are not dynamic. Ni is about "time" as in events in time, specifically the past and future... not being somewhere at a specific time.
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    I am not so sure if this is type related or not. If my observations mean anything to this discussion, then I will say that an ISFj friend and a ISFj co-worker are never late, two ISTj's are usually not late but can be, and an INFj is late some of the time.

    Many IP's I know are often late

    EP's can vary

    EJ's, like IJ's, are rarely late.
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    I would like to add that I am almost never late, unless the meeting is not important or there is some circumstance that would cause me to be late (in the later case I call the person). On the other hand I know another ENTp that is almost never on time unless the meeting is very important.
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    The interconnectedness of past and future events is what Ni is about, dee.

    Also...

    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    And as I've said before, calenders and schedules and dates and the time (as in 6:00, 7:30, noon, etc.) are static things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    makes sense, but since Ni is a P function, it's perceiving these that what it might be about (in part?).
    Are you asking if it's perceiving what is happening in the past and future? Or why it's happening? Or something else?

    Quote Originally Posted by dee View Post
    @ Joy: say if i get told some number, is the use of my ... static function requested, or is it ... Te?
    For some reason I'm not following either of these questions.

    Being told(?) a number isn't related to one specific information element.
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    I would tend to disagree. Numbers are a system. I think they're related to more information elements than just Te.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    I created a thread in Gamma about the LIE and timekeeping, and apparently they're poor at timekeeping in comparison with other types
    Ahh yes, one of those functional ironies that's annoying as hell. You'd first be tempted to think that Te+Ni, at face value, would be the most efficient!

    Maybe too much efficiency is what leads to the inefficiency: trying to cram too much activity into too little time. Or maybe Ni fitted into the "creative" functional slot = perceptual time dilation upon the LIE's undertaking of a Te task. Heh heh. Or, is it possible that the dominant Te leads to a perfectionism which is not practical in the real world, and so "time slips away"? Do they tend to overidealize what they think they can accomplish in a given time (always imagining a best scenario) and then expect to meet that standard? And then not only fail to compromise their degree of performance, but are inclined to overdo it if they can perform just a little bit better/accomplish a little bit more, when they are in the mode?

    Oddly enough, by contrast, a couple ENFj's I've known well enough appear to be gifted with organizing their time and making good use of it in the midst of their activities. And then there's the intermittent, "I wonder how X is doing?" / "I should give Y a call ... " / "My brother must've gotten home from Z right about now" etc.

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