Shakira

[machintruc]

I'm not really interested in her, except that she seems to be LII. That seems very unexpected, but I agree with it.

I read here http://photo.psychotype.ru/601/ and then agreed with it.

Shakira - couldn't find out much about her, but am guessing Enneagram 8 and Extravert for these reasons: kicked out of school choir because voice was too loud, characterized as strong willed, expressed anger over love gone wrong, learned English to maintain control over her own singing material, and started a charity to protect children in Columbia.

That proves that sometimes, doing "outgoing" things may make others mistype you. I have myself a loud voice, I'm quick to anger, friendly, and easily kicked out from places. That doesn't make me an Eight, even if I'm a Myersian Extrovert. Besides, I think Shakira is a Five, because as natural she looks tough and dreamy, like most LII's.

My philosophy professor pretty much looks like her.

[Kristiina]

strong Se, but values Si. I'd say ESE. And I don't care what E# she is. whatever theory makes you think she's LII is a stupid theory that should not be associated with socionics.

...she also has the same sort of body language as mariah carey, who was also ESFj if I remember correctly.

And I would not characterize LIIs as "Too loud and strong-willed". That's just retarted. OMG how retarted that is. That just rocked my world right now. ZOOOOMMMMGGG! Next we start hearing that IEIs are cold corporate sharks and that SLEs always get bullied because they appear so weak and tender.

[eunice]

My philosophy professor pretty much looks like her.

I bet you never miss classes.

strong Se, but values Si. I'd say ESE. And I don't care what E# she is. whatever theory makes you think she's LII is a stupid theory that should not be associated with socionics.

...she also has the same sort of body language as mariah carey, who was also ESFj if I remember correctly.

Yes. Most likely a Fe subtype. I like her.

[implied]

strong Se, but values Si. I'd say ESE. And I don't care what E# she is. whatever theory makes you think she's LII is a stupid theory that should not be associated with socionics.

...she also has the same sort of body language as mariah carey, who was also ESFj if I remember correctly.

And I would not characterize LIIs as "Too loud and strong-willed". That's just retarted. OMG how retarted that is. That just rocked my world right now. ZOOOOMMMMGGG! Next we start hearing that IEIs are cold corporate sharks and that SLEs always get bullied because they appear so weak and tender.

nice one, krii.

[theMime.]

strong Se, but values Si. I'd say ESE. And I don't care what E# she is. whatever theory makes you think she's LII is a stupid theory that should not be associated with socionics.

...she also has the same sort of body language as mariah carey, who was also ESFj if I remember correctly.

And I would not characterize LIIs as "Too loud and strong-willed". That's just retarted. OMG how retarted that is. That just rocked my world right now. ZOOOOMMMMGGG! Next we start hearing that IEIs are cold corporate sharks and that SLEs always get bullied because they appear so weak and tender.

uhm
HAHAHAHAHA.
I don't really know why but your post was hilarious.
I started laughing out loud.

[implied]

+ i just don't know about these guys. they type renee zellweger as ILI.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

I don't think an LII would be comfortable with the way expresses herself. Definitely N about her, but from what I've seen of her in interviews and the way she composes her thoughts in the occasional song i've heard (she usually writes or at least co-writes her own songs yeah?) I would say IEI is more likely.

[implied]

I don't think an LII would be comfortable with the way expresses herself. Definitely N about her, but from what I've seen of her in interviews and the way she composes her thoughts in the occasional song i've heard (she usually writes or at least co-writes her own songs yeah?) I would say IEI is more likely.

neither do i. she seems extremely expressive, but i thought possibly more S than N because she seems physical as well.

[Rick]

+ i just don't know about these guys. they type renee zellweger as ILI.

They are socionics outcasts and their typing is horrible. I would disregard them completely.

[Rick]

strong Se, but values Si. I'd say ESE. And I don't care what E# she is. whatever theory makes you think she's LII is a stupid theory that should not be associated with socionics.

...she also has the same sort of body language as mariah carey, who was also ESFj if I remember correctly.

And I would not characterize LIIs as "Too loud and strong-willed". That's just retarted. OMG how retarted that is. That just rocked my world right now. ZOOOOMMMMGGG! Next we start hearing that IEIs are cold corporate sharks and that SLEs always get bullied because they appear so weak and tender.

Mariah "find the strength to carry on" Carey? I thought she was SEE.

[Kristiina]

Mariah "find the strength to carry on" Carey? I thought she was SEE.

Mariah Carey is always playing with her skin in her videos, she's touching the surface of the water or enjoying silk against her skin, she's enjoying the vibrations of her voice. Steps barefeet on marble floor slowly to feel every nuance of the sensation. etc. I still think Si-ego.

[Expat]

I'd guess SEI for Mariah Carey.

[cracka]

I'd say she's an ESE, she's hot, loves to dance, and can move her hips very very well... Just like my ESE roommate who has these and a few other features in common that I can see. so yeah, ESE based on Cracka-typing.

[Ritella]

Mariah "find the strength to carry on" Carey? I thought she was SEE.

lol

[PussyInASarcophagus]

Dumbfuck ESE

[Dioklecian]

Istj

[Creepy-Cyclops]

She's ok looking.

[Sirena]

I am sure she is INFp.

[Park]

I am sure she is INFp.

I wouldn't dispute the visual similarities, but she's ugly and probably sensory. And extroverted.

[Sirena]

I wouldn't dispute the visual similarities, but she's ugly and probably sensory. And extroverted.

No way. I've followed her career from the beginning (not really anymore though) and I don't think most people that just started to learn about her when she crossed over into English, get who she really is. Most people picture her as the one in all the sexy pics and videos shaking her hips, which in all honestly is how she has portrayed herself in this market. Also, her song writing in English has suffered, imo. If you listen to her Spanish songs, especially older ones, you'd probably know what I mean. Having that as my idea of who Shakira is, I find it hard to believe that other people wouldn't see INFp as well.

Here is an excerpt from a biography written by Katherine Khron:
Shakira sees herself as passionate. "Passion is important, obviously. Colombians are very exaggerated, and I'm exaggerated, too," she says. "I think it's a part of my romantic personality." She is also passionate about her humanitarian causes to help people. She cares about the world......"It may sound old-fashioned, but I desperately want world peace."

Now, before anyone says anything ...I realize that all types of people/celebrities are involved in charities and all that. Being charitable has nothing to do with type. The reason I think it is relevant here is because this is her focus, her worldview, clearly illustrated by the song that made her popular a LONG time ago: "Pies Descalzos". During more intimate interviews (see below), you can see her drifting off into her own little world and this is the sort of stuff she dreamily talks about. You can easily see Ip temperament also.

especially towards the end

especially starting around 2:20


And she is NOT ugly!

P.S. I think the guy interviewing her (Alejandro Sanz, famous singer/songwriter/director) might be ESTp. I like how she keeps drawing him in and he keeps drawing her out.

[aisa]

bump

ESE?

[Amber]

classic SEE-Se so/sx probably e7

[Chae]

classic SEE-Se so/sx probably e7

That would be my typing as well.

[lynn]

SEE 7w6 so/sx

[Jake]

ESE

[Raver]

Probably ESE going on a hunch IMO.

[Delilah]

My suggestion would be LIE

[Chae]

Thinking about the rise of Gamma divas (Beyonce, Gaga, Katy, Rihanna, Britney), I think she should be among them. She even has a similar intonation as RiRi here:



I'm also getting a lot of

[darya]

SEE

[wasp]

Si-ego, probably Si-lead

I feel like Se-doms hit the world around them when they dance, like they're trying to dominate their environment (or other people, they're waaay more likely to pull other people into it). there's less refinement, it's about impact, energy flying outwards, it's almost territorial in that sense

melanie is a fantastic example of Se, cody not so much, his movements are actually more in sync when he's dancing alongside her



even will smith (who I think most people type SEE)
he's a little more refined but his energy's still got that "boom" effect and he's pulling other dancers into it



Shakira doesn't do that at all

Si-doms are more fluid, self-contained, serpent-like, they're not dominating their environment, they're maneuvering their body within the environment



even when it's got that "boom" effect it's still self-contained, it doesn't intrude on others physical space, and it rarely pulls others into it, and in my opinion, belly-dancing is one of the most Si styles of dance out there, even when it's geared toward other people it still maneuvers around them



what makes her dancing so mesmerizing to me is that it feels like she's dancing for herself, it's free-flowing, like she's submerged into herself

I know this is gonna sound stupid to some people but I feel like the distinction is so obvious but I recognize that could just be me. I used to watch dancing videos all the time and there were just certain styles that felt like they were punching me in the face, but then smoother styles that I found pleasing

dancing against the music (Se) vs dancing with the music (Si)

[Olimpia]

SEE-Fi often can seem like Fe leads because of their strong Fe. The strongest IE of SEE-Fi is technically Fe, so that's why.

She's mostly adopted the "nice Christian girl" stereotype (from her youth), and seems to never had to go crazy about it, which also makes her seem more ESE than she really is.

I get the impression she could be a 3w2 with a strong 2 wing.

This music video shows her Aggressor side.



Most of her MVs have subtle Aggressor components, but they are not overly strong (apart from She Wolf). They are certainly not Caretaker, however.
This is not unusual for feminine, culturally adapted and children-loving Gamma SF women with a Fi subtype.
They can seem submissive and their Aggressor-ness comes out in specific doses. She's learned to channel her Aggressor side into her belly dancing and so forth.

[Desert Financial]

SEE. Static processing, not dynamic.

I'd love to hear more about her intellectual side.

EDIT: I think people confuse her with ESE because she has 4D .

[darya]

SEE. Static processing, not dynamic.

I'd love to hear more about her intellectual side.

EDIT: I think people confuse her with ESE because she has 4D .

Well there has to be some other factor as well, otherwise most SEE's would be confused as ESE's all the time and that is not the case.

[Desert Financial]

Well there has to be some other factor as well, otherwise most SEE's would be confused as ESE's all the time and that is not the case.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a higher likelihood for SEEs to be confused as ESEs compared to other types they could be confused as. SEE and ESE both have ego sensing functions and ego feeling functions. ESE has 4D and SEE has 4D . So, if you type people by getting a read on distinct patterns that different types follow, you have 2 significant variables that can skew your results.

But you are right. There are other factors like socialization, culture, and upbringing. In Shakira's case, IQ and EQ probably play a role as well.

[Olimpia]

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a higher likelihood for SEEs to be confused as ESEs compared to other types they could be confused as. SEE and ESE both have ego sensing functions and ego feeling functions. ESE has 4D and SEE has 4D . So, if you type people by getting a read on distinct patterns that different types follow, you have 2 significant variables that can skew your results.

But you are right. There are other factors like socialization, culture, and upbringing. In Shakira's case, IQ and EQ probably play a role as well.

^ This.

[darya]

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a higher likelihood for SEEs to be confused as ESEs compared to other types they could be confused as. SEE and ESE both have ego sensing functions and ego feeling functions. ESE has 4D and SEE has 4D . So, if you type people by getting a read on distinct patterns that different types follow, you have 2 significant variables that can skew your results.

But you are right. There are other factors like socialization, culture, and upbringing. In Shakira's case, IQ and EQ probably play a role as well.

Sure, much likelier than some other types. I was just thinking out loud why she specifically has a certain alpha taste that some other SEE's dont. Britney Spears seems to be similar, with many people typing her SEI-Fe. Maybe it also has to do with bambi endearingness.

[Desert Financial]

Maybe it also has to do with bambi endearingness.

Yes. They both have a "girl next door" "sweetheart" quality you don't really find in many gammas.

[Chae]

@wasp Typing dance is generally good idea. But! Anyone can learn and portray anything - like Tango which is a very dance. You'd have to have a scale that says how much they can pull a certain style off, but then again: what you see might be the work of an unknown choreographer (or music video director) who ultimately influences the expression a whole lot. What I would take as typing footage is when a dancer describes how they do what they do. Maybe there's a video of Shakira elaborating on that?

As for her typing, lead can already excluded because her is too strong to be 3D. She's really animated and animating for that matter.

[lavos]

IMO, LSI

She doesn't seem much like it because her dual type is probably SEE.

[The Reality Denialist]

ugh if she is alpha then I'm out of alpha.